Anybody monitoring the Ebola outbreak ?

BTPost · Aug 1, 2014

If he is just walking thru the Front Door, he is just going to do himself in, as even if he HAD Astrolyte in the Big Black Container, there isn't enough to get passed the first floor, as a human Body just doesn't make GOOD Tamping Material. Lots of Smoke and Noise and a bit of Air Pressure, to make most Glass, blow out. That is about it. The Isolation Ward will NOT be on the Ground Floor, and also will be Highly Restricted, and Guarded by Armed Folks, with Serious Intentions. It would take a much better Plan, with knowledge of the Building, Location of the ISO Unit, and much more sophisticated device than what this dufus is showing.... Just my considered Opinion

kellory · Aug 1, 2014

It's just an example. My point is, a simple bomb or suicide bomber (who don't care about those Serious Intentions, because they plan to die anyways) could make a carefully designed, expertly staffed perfectly planned isolation chamber into a WMD. All he is doing is adding propellant, and breaching the seals.

VisuTrac · Aug 1, 2014

Oh, I don't think anyone unauthorized will be getting in. It's the patient and staff on the inside getting out that I'd worry about.

mysterymet · Aug 1, 2014

VisuTrac said: ↑

Oh, I don't think anyone unauthorized will be getting in. It's the patient and staff on the inside getting out that I'd worry about.
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Very true.

Yard Dart · Aug 1, 2014

Call me silly, but this would be a futile effort to spread Ebola.... why not just get infected deliberately and jump on the next US or EU plane and touch everyone and everything you can till you fall down... much more effective as a terrorist action. It is up to governments to be screening heavily for anyone coming through POE and ensuring the folks have no signs of illness.... tough stuff indeed!!!

Motomom34 · Aug 2, 2014

Patients are landing today.

Witch Doctor 01 · Aug 2, 2014

Call me stupid... But why not a hospital ship for a containment area... we have several old Aircraft carriers that could be moved to an area off shore and containment set up there...

oldawg · Aug 2, 2014

VisuTrac said: ↑

Oh, I don't think anyone unauthorized will be getting in. It's the patient and staff on the inside getting out that I'd worry about.
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yep

TexasAggie · Aug 3, 2014

3M-TA3 said: ↑

Just wait for suicide terrorists to become infected and then join the masses (and spread the disease to them) coming across the southern border which are then flown across the US gratis Obama. It's almost like "The Brushfire Plague" coming to life.

it IS probably here already and if not it IS going to come here one way or another.
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The Clancy novel Executive Orders was about a Mideast country deploying the Ebola virus to the US. Instead of aerosol cans, use refugees.

chelloveck · Aug 3, 2014

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So, what happens when this guy walks in the hospital with the Ebola patients.....
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There are more efficient ways of spreading the disease than by blowing up patients insitu. I don't propose to explain how it might be done lest some fools and/or evil people put them into operation.

An underpants bomb may suit the "heroic" fantasies of jihadists....however, death by Ebola may not win those 70 virgins...I'm not sure how a fragmented terrorist enjoys the virgins either, but sacrificing oneself by deliberate self infection wouldn't have much attraction I would have thought.

kellory · Aug 3, 2014

chelloveck said: ↑

There are more efficient ways of spreading the disease than by blowing up patients insitu. I don't propose to explain how it might be done lest some fools and/or evil people put them into operation.

An underpants bomb may suit the "heroic" fantasies of jihadists....however, death by Ebola may not win those 70 virgins...I'm not sure how a fragmented terrorist enjoys the virgins either, but sacrificing oneself by deliberate self infection wouldn't have much attraction I would have thought.
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My point was, we put so much care into making sure there are no possible leaks, transfer, touch, anything, and one person who does not intend to continue living (not worried about escape) could completely comp that apple cart. That genie does not like being kept in that lamp.

chelloveck · Aug 3, 2014

kellory said: ↑

My point was, we put so much care into making sure there are no possible leaks, transfer, touch, anything, and one person who does not intend to continue living (not worried about escape) could completely comp that apple cart. That genie does not like being kept in that lamp.
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I don't disagree that a suicide bomber would be catastrophic in an isolation facility....it will be interesting to see how much effort (material, human, political and diplomatic) will come from first world countries in helping 3rd world countries to contain the outbreak. I hope it won't be any less than the effort taken in recovering the casualties and investigating MH17.

NotSoSneaky · Aug 3, 2014

Now in London:

Ebola terror at Gatwick as passenger collapses and dies getting off Sierra Leone flight

Staff tell of fears as jet from Africa is quarantined after the death of passenger who was 'sweating and vomiting' before she collapsed
<snip>
The woman, said to be 72, became ill on the gangway after she left a Gambia Bird jet with 128 passengers on board.
She died in hospital on Saturday
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The plane was quarantined as officials desperately tried to trace everyone who had been in contact with the woman.
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This is NOT good.

And just in off Drudge: Ebola death toll rises to 826

Yard Dart · Aug 3, 2014

chelloveck said: ↑

I don't disagree that a suicide bomber would be catastrophic in an isolation facility....it will be interesting to see how much effort (material, human, political and diplomatic) will come from first world countries in helping 3rd world countries to contain the outbreak. I hope it won't be any less than the effort taken in recovering the casualties and investigating MH17.
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Don't count on them figuring this out any more than MH17 or the missing Malaysia Air flight out yonder..... me thinks that as long as TPTB think it is contained to Africa they will turn a blind eye.... now a gal dying on arrival at the UK may get there attention on what may continue to transpire and spread the disease out of the containment area...... time will tell how bad it gets.

kellory · Aug 3, 2014

chelloveck said: ↑

I don't disagree that a suicide bomber would be catastrophic in an isolation facility....it will be interesting to see how much effort (material, human, political and diplomatic) will come from first world countries in helping 3rd world countries to contain the outbreak. I hope it won't be any less than the effort taken in recovering the casualties and investigating MH17.
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It is said, that anyone can be killed, as long as the perp does not care about escape. Or Ask Kennedy or Reagan, if being caught made them any less shot.

3M-TA3 · Aug 4, 2014

Looks like ebola is already here:
http://7online.com/health/mount-sinai-patient-tested-for-ebola-virus/239663/
Leaked CBP Report Shows Entire World Exploiting Open US Border

It was only a matter of time...

nkawtg · Aug 4, 2014

I'll worry when the test comes back positive, for now it could be anything.

DarkLight · Aug 4, 2014

Or, hopefully, nothing but food poisoning.

nkawtg · Aug 4, 2014

The latest update is it is likely not Ebola, but testing anyway.

Yard Dart · Aug 5, 2014

Ebola poses virtually no risk to most Americans, but hospital workers and their patients could face real danger if someone unknowingly infected with the deadly virus travels to the U.S. and comes to an emergency room here for care.

Many hospitals are poorly prepared to contain any pathogen. That’s why at least 75,000 people a year die from hospital infections. If hospitals can’t stop common infections like MRSA, C. diff and VRE, they can’t handle Ebola.

Many U.S. hospitals are poorly prepared to contain any pathogen. That’s why at least 75,000 people a year die from hospital infections.
On July 20, Patrick Sawyer, an American working in Liberia, collapsed after an air journey from Liberia to Nigeria. He had no idea he had Ebola, but five days later he died of it. He could have been getting off a plane at JFK. At least eleven flights leave Liberia daily with connections to JFK. Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN’s medical correspondent, says it’s a “real possibility” someone unknowingly sick with Ebola will fly to the U.S.

The Ebola outbreak has infected over 1,400 people, and killed 826 of them in three West African countries.

Last week, the World Health Organization issued guidelines for airlines. If a passenger is diagnosed with Ebola after the flight, all passengers on the same flight should be tracked down and tested.

As Ebola victims become sicker, they have vomiting, diarrhea, and internal and external bleeding. Those bodily fluids contain high concentrations of the virus, which can infect anyone exposed. Airline cleaning crews are instructed to wear disposable gloves and wipe down arm rests, seat backs, trays and light switches if any passenger is sick.

Two Nigerian based airline companies and Emirates, the Dubai-based airline, already have suspended service to the affected countries. But Centers for Disease Control and Prevention head, Dr. Thomas Frieden, rejects that approach. “Were not going to hermetically seal the borders of the U.S.,” he said on ABC’s "This Week" on Sunday. “We’re reliant and interdependent with the world for travel, for trade, for economy, for our families and communities.”

Frieden argues it’s unlikely people sick with Ebola with board planes, because the symptoms are so debilitating. Despite what Frieden is saying, the agency sent bulletins to U.S. hospitals on diagnosing Ebola, providing protective gear for healthcare workers, and preventing the spread to other patients.

But will hospitals follow the precautions? Unlikely. For example, an estimated 14,000 patients die each year from Clostridium difficile, a health care infection spread by diarrhea. Invisibly small fecal particles contaminate bedrails, curtains, nurses’ uniforms and other surfaces, carrying the disease from one patient to another. The same could happen with Ebola if precautions are ignored.

Rigorous adherence to prevention rules will mean the difference between life and death if a person carrying Ebola comes to a U.S. hospital. That is the lesson of SARS, four letters that turned into a death sentence at a Toronto hospital. .

On March 7, 2003 two middle-aged men with undiagnosed cases of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) brought from Asia went to the hospital in two different cities. In Toronto, this caused an outbreak that killed 44, infected another 330, and forced hospitals to close. In Vancouver, according to a government report, “robust worker safety and infection control culture” enabled the hospital there to prevent the disease from spreading. One hospital thwarted an epidemic, while another made deadly mistakes.

Vancouver General isolated the patient within five minutes of his arrival, recognizing the possible seriousness of his symptoms. But the Toronto hospital kept its SARS patient waiting 16 hours in its crowded emergency room. Two patients waiting nearby contracted SARS.

A government report later concluded that for the hospital overcome by SARS, “infection control was not a high priority.” Eventually, 77% of the people who contracted SARS there got it while working, visiting or being treated in a hospital.

Similarly, whether Americans die of Ebola will depend largely on what hospitals do when the first victims unknowingly carrying the virus are admitted.

The CDC also needs to improve its own infection control rigor. In the last three months, three incidents of the CDC mishandling pathogens -- anthrax, avian flu, and smallpox – have come to light. Why assume the agency’s ready for Ebola?
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