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Are Canadians worth $20K a year, guaranteed?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mindgrinder, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    $20,000 per person: Activists push for guaranteed minimum income for Canadians | CTV News

    MONTREAL -- A group of academics and activists is trying to drum up interest in an ambitious plan to provide every Canadian with a guaranteed minimum level of income -- whether or not they have a job.

    Rob Rainer, a campaign director for the Basic Income Canada Network, envisions a country where everyone is assured a minimum of $20,000 annually to make ends meet.

    "For many of us, we think the goal is no one should be living in poverty," Rainer said at a conference on the issue over the weekend at McGill University.

    "That's essentially what we're striving to achieve."

    No...no it is not. What they are trying to achieve is massive welfare state where a large voting block is dependent on the system. The funding for such a system is NOT redistro of wealth...it's the creation of debt.

    Makes me so mad to see this sort of thing batted around MSN as "normal" or "inevitable" under the meme "We must eliminate poverty!".

    "What's wrong with you man....don't you want to eliminate poverty?"
    "Now give me more of your income as tax, pay more for food, the "privilage" of property, mobility, health care, etc etc etc etc"
    "If you don't "help" pay for someone who doesn't want to work, you're a bad person...."
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Oy. That will be a problem if those loonies get their way.
  3. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey Site Supporter

    "For many of us, we think the goal is no one should be living in poverty,"

    But of course you would add, free medical, assisted rent , free food and free public transportation to the "Free $20,000' and all of a sudden you see the slipery slide of what free means.

    For some in the US, Poverty means, having to cook a pot of beans and rice and missing out on a Free Fast Food hamburger.

    In doubt? Just be aware how some of the Katrina bunch cried out because they had to pay sales tax on cooked foods in Texas. Of course we were giving them free lodging and 3 squares a day but out in town was another world to them. Pay as you GO?
  4. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    We used to be hunter/gatherers, farmers, mothers and fathers. We used to live in harmony with nature to never become a cancer upon the earth. Those days have long passed for most of the civilized world, and we are left with a post industrial, quasi-space age technological nightmare socialist police state.

    There is no sound solution at this point. Either we eliminate every vestige of despotism or we must suck it up and accept our slavery. Choosing to fight the system and the majority who support corporate rule will certainly carry a heavy price. If the majority choose slavery over liberty, then we will have slavery. The thing about this is, throughout all human history, people do not tend to stay on this course. Eventually, people wake up to their enslavement and revolt, because it is better to die free than to live as a slave.

    The world is headed for a global socialist order, headed by massive corporate cartels who continue to profit from the work of the multitudes. Ultimately, we provide the impetus, we support and promote their agenda, and we have become so embroiled in this way of life, that we beg for our own enslavement. Like spoiled children, we will only see the errors of our ways after it is far too late. Such is the way of the world in our time.

    Perhaps many generations from now, if the human race survives at all, their books for learning will forever commemorate humanity's darkest hours. We can only hope they never repeat our mistakes.
  5. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I am sure if you go back far enough in history you will get to a point where there is no written history. Mankind has been repeating their mistakes and destroying their own societies for many millennium. Much of it was done with written history of what went before. As ignorant as the majority of mankind chooses to be, why would anyone expect anything to be different now or in the future? ANYTIME THE IGNORANT AND NON-PRODUCERS HAVE THE SAME EXACT RIGHTS AS THOSE WHO ARE PRODUCTIVE AND INFORMED, WE ARE DOOMED TO FAILURE. jmho
    BTW, for any who would make this racial, ethnic, religious, or gender biased in their opinion, it isn't. There are ignorant non-producers out there of every possible ilk.
  6. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    @tacmotusn I choose a more spiritual, or enlightened thought. I do not believe in doctrines espoused by most people to be beneficial. The human race is flawed, we are imperfect, and the stupid people will reproduce at a very rapid rate. Therefore, there is no shortage of ignorant, useless people. It's what the 15% of us do that really matters in the end. In a minimalist society, one structured as a republic like ours once was, all people could freely do as they wished, provided they did not cause harm to another or their property. We had a specific three branched government, kept bound and confined to operate within the limits of the Constitution. The people never really expected their land of liberty would become a magnet for every tyrant on the globe. The private banks have always operated here, since the First Bank of the United States to the present Federal Reserve System. It has always been steered by England and wealthy European investors who wanted to control this land. They tried brute force, and they lost. What they could not achieve militarily, they won with simple economics. The Canadian nation is no different, and the monarchy has long established claim to it. It doesn't matter what pretenses we operate, much of the "free" world is owned by the Queen and her cartel minions. The little people, we poor ignorant working class types, are entirely and utterly expendable.

    Most people are like Pringles potato crisps. Pop all you want, they'll just make more.
  7. DKR

    DKR Interesting ideas, interesting stories

    The US tried this *)(837 a few years back. Didn't turn out well.
  8. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I can think of at least 30 million folks we should send North of the border.

    We'll see how that works out for em'
  9. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    They are already north of the border, and speaking Spanish. Maybe just pass them on through to Canada?;)
  10. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    Send some of them bus & plane tickets dumping them in Canada.... yeah that is the ticket.... or course the dem's will not get their vote when amnesty is approved against the American peoples wishes.... oh well.... [sarc1]
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2014
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  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    See @Mindgrinder it could always be worse. You could have an unlimited number of S American and Mexican gangs flooding your borders, raping, pillaging, kidnapping, murdering and sucking the life out of your economic base. There's always a bright side. For us, it's cheap television escapist programming and video games. We can just pretend none of this is happening and go about our lives...

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  12. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Isn't it interesting that the folks that subscribe to this type of lunacy, never advocate using their OWN Money, to pay for it, but always want to use other peoples Money...
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  13. mysterymet

    mysterymet Monkey+++

    Heck yeah let's put the word out that Canada is letting people in and looking to give everyone 20k/yr. immigration problem solved!
  14. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    That would double my population.
    No Thanks.
    In fact, when SHTF, please do not run north.
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  15. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    "They" are already north of the border...speaking Mandarin and Cantoneese.

    Vancouver is the most ‘Asian’ city outside Asia. What are the ramifications? | Vancouver Sun
    What is the significance of Metro Vancouver becoming the most “Asian” city outside Asia?

    Forty-three per cent of Metro Vancouver residents have an Asian heritage, which is a much higher proportion than any other major city outside the continent of Asia.

    Based on Statistics Canada reports, the number of those with Asian roots in Metro Vancouver will continue to grow at a faster rate than the non-Asian population.

    Around the globe, the only major cities {with more than one million population} outside Asia that come close to Metro Vancouver for their portion of residents with Asian backgrounds are San Francisco (33 per cent Asian), London, England (21 per cent), Metro Toronto (35 per cent), Calgary (23 per cent) and Sydney, Australia (19 per cent).

    Observers from Asian and non-Asian backgrounds predict that as a result of Metro Vancouver’s unique demographics, residents should expect more changes; adjustments that will create opportunities and richness, as well as tension and difficulties.

    These cultural analysts foresee an accelerating rise of Asian-oriented restaurants, retail outlets, artistic events, religions, community service organizations, schools,neighbourhood enclaves, family-reunification programs, signage, international business partnerships, corporate customs and Asian-language newspapers and TV stations."

    I am Native American Indian....and I'm a a minority to both Asians AND Whites...

    This land is your land: Vancouver city council to local First Nations | Vancouve

    VANCOUVER -- Vancouver city council formally acknowledged Wednesday that the land on which the city is built actually belongs to three local First Nations.

    But landowners shouldn’t worry, according to Mayor Gregor Robertson.

    The move, he said, is largely symbolic albeit an “important gesture.”

    “We are formally acknowledging that we are on the unceded traditional territory of the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh First Nations. There was never any treaty with these nations.... At this point, the city is acknowledging that fact.”"

    Van city council agrees...Natives never surrendered.

  16. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    I'm not so sure....
    Mexicans show up to work.....the Van Chinese migrant crowd is RICH beyond belief and buy up entire areas of the city. The Hindi/Indian crowd buys up all the farm land on the outskirts and corners the trucking industry.....the resident Canadians are left with a MASSIVE bubble of over priced housing ($1000/month at BEST for a 1bedroom apt), no land to grow local food and absurd liberal carbon taxes, envirotardedness and total submission to "racial political correctness"


    We are racist.

    /me flashed Native American Indian Status Card (immunity)


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  17. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    And mexicans will stack up in those one bedroom apartments, three deep, and six to a bed, hot wire the cable, steal power from other buildings, piss in the hall when the toilet over flows and speak not a word of English except when it suits them. I spent five years in Californication, and I have seen ALL of that first hand. ;) you are gonna love 'em.......:lol:
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  18. ditch witch

    ditch witch resident bacon hoarder Site Supporter+

    ^^^^what he said^^^^
    And the only place the female illegal Mexicans show up to is the maternity ward.
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  19. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja Jedi Bipolar WINNING M.L.F.

    Hotwire the cable? Vancouver is ALL DIGITAL In most parts of the city there are only 13 analog channels left....and none of them are ethnic. We already have a city council that loves "HIGH DENSITY housing and transit" because it's good for the Earth dontchyaknow? Agenda 21 is in full swing here with most Vancouverites totally on board with carbon taxes. We're Americanized enough to love "temporary workers" in both our blueberry fields and COAL/OIL MINING in lieu of high salary local specialists.

    Canada's foreign worker program to be reviewed after hiring of Chinese coal miners in B.C.
  20. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    You haven't seen High density " housing yet, nor have you smelled it.
    But we can make NAFTA work FOR us here, and send you all the "migrant workers" you can handle, plus a few million more, no problem!:) enjoy!!!
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