Are You a Terrorist?

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  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    [SIZE=+1]Missouri report on militias, terrorists draws criticism[/SIZE]
    <small> Kansas City Online ^ | March 14, 2009 | The Associated Press </small>
    <small>Posted on Sunday, March 15, 2009 9:53:29 PM by GoldStandard</small>
    A new document meant to help Missouri law enforcement agencies identify militia members or domestic terrorists has drawn criticism for some of the warning signs mentioned.
    The Feb. 20 report called "The Modern Militia Movement" mentions such red flags as political bumper stickers for third-party candidates, such as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, who ran for president last year; talk of conspiracy theories, such as the plan for a superhighway linking Canada to Mexico; and possession of subversive literature.
    "It seems like they want to stifle political thought," said Roger Webb, president of the University of Missouri campus Libertarians. "There are a lot of third parties out there, and none of them express any violence. In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don't support violence as a means to any ends."
    But state law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted.
    Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report comes from publicly available, trend data on militias. It was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a "fusion center" in Jefferson City that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. The center, which opened in 2005, was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said.
    "All this is an educational thing," Hotz said of the report. "Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it's our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement."
     
  2. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Missouri report on militias, terrorists draws criticism

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    COLUMBIA, Mo. | A new document meant to help Missouri law enforcement agencies identify militia members or domestic terrorists has drawn criticism for some of the warning signs mentioned.
    The Feb. 20 report called "The Modern Militia Movement" mentions such red flags as political bumper stickers for third-party candidates, such as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, who ran for president last year; talk of conspiracy theories, such as the plan for a superhighway linking Canada to Mexico; and possession of subversive literature.
    "It seems like they want to stifle political thought," said Roger Webb, president of the University of Missouri campus Libertarians. "There are a lot of third parties out there, and none of them express any violence. In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don't support violence as a means to any ends."
    But state law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted.
    Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report comes from publicly available, trend data on militias. It was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a "fusion center" in Jefferson City that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. The center, which opened in 2005, was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said.
    "All this is an educational thing," Hotz said of the report. "Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it's our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement."
    But Tim Neal, a military veteran and delegate to last year's state GOP convention, was shocked by the report's contents.
    "I was going down the list and thinking, 'Check, that's me,'" he said. "I'm a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I've got the 'America: Freedom to Fascism' video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I'm a domestic terrorist? Because I've got a video about the Federal Reserve?"
    Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won't know whether it's because he was speeding or because of his political views.
    "If a police officer is pulling me over with my family in the car and he sees a bumper sticker on my vehicle that has been specifically identified as one that an extremist would have in their vehicle, the guy is probably going to be pretty apprehensive and not thinking in a rational manner," Neal said. "And this guy's walking up to my vehicle with a gun."
    But Hotz said using factors in the report to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from third-party groups are not in danger of harassment from police.
    "It's giving the makeup of militia members and their political beliefs," Hotz said of the report. "It's not saying that everybody who supports these candidates is involved in a militia. It's not even saying that all militias are bad."
     
  3. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Secret State Police Report: Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Libertarians are Terrorists


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    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars
    March 11, 2009
    Alex Jones has received a secret report distributed by the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) entitled “The Modern Militia Movement” and dated February 20, 2009. A footer on the document indicates it is “unclassified” but “law enforcement sensitive,” in other words not for public consumption. A copy of the report was sent to Jones by an anonymous Missouri police officer.
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    “Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) provides a public safety partnership consisting of local, state and federal agencies, as well as the public sector and private entities that will collect, evaluate, analyze, and disseminate information and intelligence to the agencies tasked with Homeland Security responsibilities in a timely, effective, and secure manner,” explains the MIAC website. “MIAC is the mechanism to collect incident reports of suspicious activities to be evaluated and analyzed in an effort to identify potential trends or patterns of terrorist or criminal operations within the state of Missouri. MIAC will also function as a vehicle for two-way communication between federal, state and local law enforcement community within our region.”
    MIAC is part of the federal “fusion” effort now underway around the country. “As of February 2009, there were 58 fusion centers around the country. The Department has deployed 31 officers as of December 2008 and plans to have 70 professionals deployed by the end of 2009. The Department has provided more than $254 million from FY 2004-2007 to state and local governments to support the centers,” explains the Department of Homeland Security on its website. Missouri is mentioned as a participant in this federal “intelligence” effort.
    Last month, the ACLU issued a news release highlighting the activity of a fusion center in Texas as the “latest example of inappropriate police intelligence operations targeting political, religious and social activists for investigation,” in particular “Muslim civil rights organizations and anti-war protest groups.”
    The MIAC report does not concentrate on Muslim terrorists, but rather on the so-called “militia movement” and conflates it with supporters of Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, BOB Barr, the so-called patriot movement and other political activist organizations opposed to the North American Union and the New World Order. The MIAC document is a classic guilt by association effort designed to demonize legitimate political activity that stands in opposition to the New World Order and its newly enshrined front man, Barack Obama.
    In September of 2008, Missouri sheriffs and prosecutors organized truth squads to intimidate people opposed to Obama and threatened to arrest and prosecute anybody who ran “misleading television ads.” Missouri governor Matt Blunt eventually denounced the use of “police state tactics” on the part of the Obama-Biden campaign.
    MIAC claims members of a “rightwing” militia movement organized in the 1990s — generally in response to the Oklahoma City bombing and the events at Waco — “continuously exploit world events in order to increase participation in their movements. Due to the current economical and political situation, a lush environment for militia activity has been created” and supposedly exploited by “constitutionalists” and “white supremacists,” the latter an oft-employed canard used to demonize activists as dangerous and potentially violent lunatics.
    MIAC notes many of the political issues cited by the so-called patriot movement — the Ammunition Accountability Act, the impending economic collapse of the government, the possibility of a constitutional convention, the North American Union, Obama’s “Universal Service Program,” and the implementation of RFID, issues that are not limited to the patriot movement but are shared by a wide array of political activists.
    The MIAC document includes a map of the North American Union not dissimilar from one released by NASCO, the North America SuperCorridor Coalition (see the NASCO map here).
    The MIAC report is similar to one created by the Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Joint Terrorism Task Force during the Clinton administration (see page one and page two of the document). The FBI document explicitly designates “defenders” of the Constitution as “right-wing extremists.” The MIAC report expands significantly on the earlier document.

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    In order to artificially heighten the perceived threat threshold, MIAC rolls in Christian Identity, white nationalism, “militant” anti-abortion activists, opposition to illegal immigration, and income tax resistance. MIAC deceptively blurs the lines between these disparate political ideologies and underscores the possibility for violence in a summary of the organizational structure of the militia movement and a section describing how members strive to train in “combat readiness.” The MIAC effort to characterize Libertarians and Constitutionalists as racists is reminiscent of an attempt by the corporate media in early 2008 to portray Ron Paul as a racist by attempting to link him to a series of vaguely racist newsletters produced in the 1980s. Paul did not exercise editorial control over the newsletters and went so far as to apologize for them, but this did not prevent the corporate media from characterizing him as a racist.
    According to MIAC, opposition to world government, NAFTA, federalization of the states, and restrictive gun laws are a threat to the police. “The militia subscribes to an anti-government and NWO mindset, which creates a threat to law enforcement officers. They view the military, National Guard, and law enforcement as a force that will confiscate their firearms and place them in FEMA concentration camps,” the document claims in a section entitled “You are the Enemy.”
    In regard to supposed militia movement literature and media, the MIAC report mentions Aaron Russo’s America: Freedom to Fascism and William Luther Pierce’s The Turner Diaries — the latter was penned by the former leader of the white nationalist organization National Alliance and the former by a Libertarian filmmaker. In order to underscore the absurdity of the MIAC attempt to link Pierce’s novel and Russo’s anti-tax documentary, it should be noted that the late Aaron Russo was Jewish and The Turner Dairies posits a Zionist government in America (or ZOG, the Zionist Occupation Government) run by Jews.
    The award-winning film Zeitgeist, featuring Alex Jones, is also mentioned as terrorist material.
    The MIAC report is particularly pernicious because it indoctrinates Missouri law enforcement in the belief that people who oppose confiscatory taxation, believe in the well-documented existence of a New World Order and world government (a Google search of this phrase will pull up numerous references made by scores of establishment political leaders), and are opposed to the obvious expansion of the federal government at the expense of the states as violent extremists who are gunning for the police. It specifically targets supporters of mainstream political candidates and encourages police officers to consider them dangerous terrorists.
    MIAC is attempting to radicalize the police against political activity guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If Missouri police indoctrinated by MIAC propaganda overreact to political activists and supporters of Ron Paul in their state and injure or kill people involved in entirely legal and legitimate political activity, MIAC, the governor of Missouri (his name appears on the MIAC document), and the DHS and federal government should be held directly responsible and prosecuted the fullest extent of the law.
     
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    "The MIAC report specifically describes supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and BOB Barr as “militia” influenced terrorists and instructs the Missouri police to be on the lookout for supporters displaying bumper stickers and other paraphernalia associated with the Constitutional, Campaign for Liberty, and Libertarian parties.+

    Well, I guess I'm a terrorist.
     
  5. Pauly Walnuts

    Pauly Walnuts Monkey++

    There are a crap load of "terrorist' in America then
     
  6. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    The whole family I guess ,and pretty proud of it at that .
     
  7. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    So, in their minds, all those of us who DIDN'T drink the Koolaid on 4 November, 2008 are Home-grown Terrorists......? [loco]
     
  8. 8PW

    8PW Silent but Deadly

    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    It's an old adage but it works.
     
  9. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++


    Right on
     
  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    +1 :) ( I'll go so far as to say"one mans insurgeant is another man's freedom fighter...)terrorism is poorman's strategy not a cult; why didn't we have the"war on sneak attacks" after pearl harbor????
     
  11. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    Likely just about everyone on this board is a terrorist in .govs eyes. Those who are not, well you guys and gals are just going to have to start trying harder. [dunno] But not to worry if your the under achiver type .gov will come up with a way to make you a terrorist as well, along with the rest of the populace. [beat]

    OGM
     
  12. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    More of the same crap

    'Fusion Centers' Expand Criteria to Identify Militia Members

    Do you like Ron Paul or oppose abortion? You may be a member of a militia, according to a new report by a government information collection agency.

    By Joshua Rhett Miller


    If you're an anti-abortion activist, or if you display political paraphernalia supporting a third-party candidate or a certain Republican member of Congress, if you possess subversive literature, you very well might be a member of a domestic paramilitary group.


    That's according to "The Modern Militia Movement," a report by the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC), a government collective that identifies the warning signs of potential domestic terrorists for law enforcement communities.


    "Due to the current economical and political situation, a lush environment for militia activity has been created," the Feb. 20 report reads. "Unemployment rates are high, as well as costs of living expenses. Additionally, President Elect Barrack [sic] Obama is seen as tight on gun control and many extremists fear that he will enact firearms confiscations."


    MIAC is one of 58 so-called "fusion centers" nationwide that were created by the Department of Homeland Security, in part, to collect local intelligence that authorities can use to combat terrorism and related criminal activities. More than $254 million from fiscal years 2004-2007 went to state and local governments to support the fusion centers, according to the DHS Web site.


    During a press conference last week in Kansas City, Mo., DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano called fusion centers the "centerpiece of state, local, federal intelligence-sharing" in the future.


    "Let us not forget the reason we are here, the reason we have the Department of Homeland Security and the reason we now have fusion centers, which is a relatively new concept, is because we did not have the capacity as a country to connect the dots on isolated bits of intelligence prior to 9/11," Napolitano said, according to a DHS transcript.


    "That's why we started this.... Now we know that it's not just the 9/11-type incidents but many, many other types of incidents that we can benefit from having fusion centers that share information and product and analysis upwards and horizontally."


    But some say the fusion centers are going too far in whom they identify as potential threats to American security.


    People who supported former third-party presidential candidates like Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and former Georgia Rep. BOB Barr are cited in the report, in addition to anti-abortion activists and conspiracy theorists who believe the United States, Mexico and Canada will someday form a North American Union.


    "Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups," the report reads. "It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty or Libertarian material."


    Other potential signals of militia involvement, according to the report, are possession of the Gagsden "Don't Tread on Me" flag or the widely available anti-income tax film "America: Freedom to Fascism."
    Barr, the 2008 Libertarian Party presidential nominee, told FOXNews.com that he's taking steps to get his name removed from the report, which he said could actually "dilute the effectiveness" of law enforcement agencies.


    "It can subject people to unwarranted and inappropriate monitoring by the government," he said. "If I were the governor of Missouri, I'd be concerned that law enforcement agencies are wasting their time and effort on such nonsense."


    Barr said his office has received "several dozen" complaints related to the report.


    Mary Starrett, communications director for the Constitution Party, said Baldwin, the party's 2008 presidential candidate, was "outraged" that his name was included in the report.


    "We were so astounded by it we couldn't believe it was real," Starrett told FOXNews.com. "It's painting such a large number of people with a broad brush in a dangerous light."


    Michael German, national security policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the report "crosses the line" and shows a disregard for civil liberties.


    "It seems to implicate people who are engaging in First Amendment protected activities and suggest that something as innocuous as supporting a political candidate for office would mean that you're harboring some ill-intent," German told FOXNews.com. "It's completely inappropriate."


    German, who claims the number of fusion centers nationwide is closer to 70, said the centers present several troubling concerns, including their excessive secrecy, ambiguous lines of authority, the use of data mining and military participation.


    "No two are alike," German said. "And these things are expanding rapidly."


    But MIAC officials defended their report, saying it's not a basis for officers to take enforcement action.


    "These reports sometimes mention groups or individuals who are not the subject of the document, but may be relevant to describing tendencies or trends concerning the subject of the document," MIAC said in a statement.


    "For example, a criminal group may use a particular wire service to transfer funds, but the mention of that wire service does not imply that it is part of that group, or a criminal enterprise.


    Nor does it imply that all individuals who use that service are engaged in criminal activity."



    The statement continues, "We are concerned about the mischaracterizations of a document following its recent unauthorized release and we regret that any citizens were unintentionally offended by the content of the document."


    Donny Ferguson, a spokesman for the Libertarian Party, said he was concerned by the report's "poor choice of words," among other things.
    "Unfortunately it is so broadly worded it could be interpreted as saying millions of peaceful, law-abiding Americans are involved in dangerous activities. These mistakes happen and we hope Missouri officials will correct the report," Ferguson wrote in an e-mail. "The Libertarian Party promotes the common-sense policies of fiscal responsibility and social tolerance. We are the only party in America who makes opposition to initiating violence a condition of membership."


    BOB McCarty, a St. Louis resident who blogged about the MIAC report, said he's afraid he may be targeted, since he's previously sold Ron Paul-related merchandise.


    "[The report] described me, so maybe I need to get a gun and build a shack out in the woods," McCarty said facetiously. "It's certainly an attempt to stifle political thought, especially in Missouri. It definitely makes me pause, if nothing else. Maybe Missouri is just a test bed for squelching political thought."


    ACLU officials blasted a Texas fusion center last month for distributing a "Prevention Awareness Bulletin" that called on law enforcement officers to report activities of local lobbying groups, Muslim civil rights organizations and anti-war protest groups.


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...ers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/
     
  13. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Received the above in an e-mail and thought my monkey friends might like to read this but it looks like somebody beat me to it.

    Hope all has been well for everybody.

    Working 2 jobs has been keeping me busy not much time for internet browsing last few months.

    As far as the comment about being an under acheiver goes. Nothing is worth doing unless you do it to your fullest ability.
     
  14. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    If you're an anti-abortion activist, or if you display political paraphernalia supporting a third-party candidate or a certain Republican member of Congress, if you possess subversive literature, you very well might be a member of a domestic paramilitary group.

    Yeah, and if I forget where I put my car keys, I might have Alzhiemers. And if I read Hannity, I might be prone to shouting in the library. And if I know how to build a fire, I might be an arsonist.

    Ye gods and little fishes --. Disgust is too mild.
     
  15. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    To all that thought the Patriot Act was a good thing and would never be used against U.S. citizens.

    Care to change your mind yet or do you need more time to reconsider your viewpoint? [dunno]
     
  16. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    No $#!+ huh!!!!!! :rolleyes:

    OGM
     
  17. turbohardtop

    turbohardtop Monkey++

    Since when did this land we live in become so ***ked-up. I also heard a rumor not confirmed that all ammo will be sold to LEO only and not civilians. I hope this is not true or it would be sign nasty stuff to come.
     
  18. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Maybe not PC, but the answer to your question probably lies in genetics. Somehow, the liberal genes have become sufficiently prolific that libs are out-breeding the self sufficient genetic matter. Plus, drowning at birth is illegal and immoral, not to mention one wouldn't know at birth if the defective genes exist on board. It bothers me tremendously when I let my mind wander down that path because it smacks of Nazis mentality which is abhorrent to all, me included.

    There seems also a gene that specifically favor production of entitlement groupies. Now, I have no problem with the concept when those who pay into the system get the benefits, but not an out and out transfer of wealth (or whatever) takes place to those who contribute zilch.

    That rumor is hoped to be false if it exists. Haven't heard it myself, yet. Frankly, it sound tinfoilhattish.

    Yeesh. I need a drink. Let's see, blue or red?
     
  19. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Ammunition? the only rumors floating on the ammunition front I am aware of relate to microstamping and registering projectiles.

    http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/const_dees.jpg[​IMG]

    Aye, stocked "subversive" library( "George Washington; a biography"
    ), arsenal, a THOUSAND ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION ( INCLUDING RIMFIRE)
    generally grouchy demeanor, I BEAR watching... do you?
    ("watch bears" I mean?)
     
  20. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

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    March 28, 2009


    Dear Friend of Liberty,

    Although it sometimes seems that freedom is shrinking everywhere we turn, the fact is a powerful grassroots stand can still stop Big Government bureaucrats in their tracks.

    That is exactly what happened to the Missouri Highway Patrol this week after being forced by your vocal outrage to retract the incendiary Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) report.

    This report identified peaceful, freedom-loving Americans as possible security threats, simply for supporting Ron Paul or opposing tyrannical government.

    Faced with an overwhelming public outcry, Missouri officials quickly started backpedaling, removing references to Ron Paul and Campaign for Liberty.

    Then, just hours before Dr. Paul’s plane touched down in St. Louis to lead our Celebration of Freedom rally Friday night, the Missouri Highway Patrol officially retracted the entire offending document.

    The Missouri Highway Patrol will be performing an investigation into the origin of the report. Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder has even called for the suspension of the Director of Public Safety until those responsible have been identified.

    Click here to read the news report.

    It is no surprise that oversight and accountability are in short supply at the MIAC, a Big Government “fusion center” combining federal, state and local agencies into an unconstitutional mess of a bureaucracy. But government disorganization is no excuse for making political profiling and persecution into official policy.

    This victory for the grassroots freedom movement, coupled with this weekend’s Campaign for Liberty Regional Conference in St. Louis, marks a great moment for liberty in Missouri and all of America.

    This week we saw that politicians still respond to the voices of their constituents.

    This week we saw that freedom can triumph over tyranny when we unite to take a stand.

    In Liberty,
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    John Tate
    President, Campaign for Liberty

    P.S. This week Campaign for Liberty showed that freedom-loving Americans will not be silenced by political persecution. We successfully fought for the retraction of the MIAC report, and we met in St. Louis to celebrate freedom’s victory over tyranny.
     
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