ARE YOU IN, OR ARE YOU OUT?

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by tacmotusn, Sep 5, 2009.


  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    The following words are not mine. They were gleaned from
    http://markepstein.wordpress.com/200...you-in-or-out/
    originally published by Mark Epstein 29 August 2009. They are presented to inform you as how others are thinking. Each of you, like I will have decisions to make day by day in the future, no matter what it brings. May God bless you and give you strength to do whatever you deem right and just!


    This is not meant to be a call to arms or encouragement in anyway for armed insurection! Tacmotusn SM. [flag] [dunno]


    An interesting scenero of how things might play out if the peasants revolt.

    Armed Revolution! Are you “in or out”?

    Never in our country’s history have Americans witnessed the travesty of such an anti-constitutional administration and congress. And a great deal of the responsibility falls on both major political parties and the media. However, there are others, including American voters who refuse to intelligently discuss the issues and critically analyze what the administration is doing. As a result, the likelihood of another civil war or second revolution increases with each passing day and each new power-grab by the Obama administration.

    This past week, while garnering the largest market share of any news media outlet, Glenn Beck painstakingly analyzed what the Obama administration is really all about and what it is actually doing. There hasn’t been one White House denial. At the end of the week, Beck presented five questions Americans should ask their politicians. Questions based in our Constitution. Glenn suggested in the strongest terms that Americans ask their political representatives each of the questions and then following-up with the question “Are you in or out?” And if the representative is not on board with the questions, then Americans need to vote them “out” in the 2010 elections.

    Although I completely concur with Mr. Beck with respect to his analysis of this administration and the previous one (Beck is no fan of Bush spending, etc.), there are a plethora of reasons America will not make it to the mid-term elections in 2010. The analysis of this potential reality and a possible scenario follows.

    The Coming Armed Revolution: Can it be avoided? If not, are you in or out?

    Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Reid, Pelosi, Van Jones, and a host of others are making a mockery of our Constitution — and the American people know it.

    People are not buying these concepts that are completely foreign to America. We’re almost reaching a revolution in this country - Senator Jim Inhofe

    Currently, there are admitted radical Communists serving as Obama’s “czars,” a congressional bill to allow Obama seizure of the internet, and the administration is responsible for nationalization of industry and a blatant attempt to nationalize health care. The Obama administration is engaging in generational warfare and Obama-supporting union members have attacked US citizens participating in Town Hall meetings. There are provisions in Obama’s health care overhaul bill that contain loopholes that will result in health care benefits to illegal aliens, and ACORN registers illegal aliens to benefit the current administration. The government vilifies citizens, talks of mandatory H1N1 vaccination, and federal tax dollars pour into organizations to enable voter fraud. There is an immoral leftist boycott of one of the world’s most socially-conscious companies occurring, and the Democrats have been involved in silencing critics through physical intimidation, lawsuits, refusal to air commercials, and slander — and the list goes on.

    To say the majority of Americans are upset about the country’s direction would be a gross understatement. They are pissed-off and willing to take up arms.

    The thought of Americans engaging in armed revolt was unthinkable 12 months ago. After SEIU thugs beat-up a man attending a Town Hall meeting, other Americans showed-up at Town Hall meetings armed with semi-automatic weapons — including a meeting the president attended. There hasn’t been a union “beat down” of a Town Hall attendee since. The message is clear: Tyrants and bullies can be dealt with, even if it’s at the “business end” of a firearm.

    Although the federal government is monitoring a number of known militia groups, these groups are not a threat to the government. The current threat to the federal government is the average American who realizes the federal threat to his personal freedoms and to his children’s freedoms and financial solvency. Americans are furious. They are not just angry. Moreover, many realize it may take the forceable removal of the Obama administration, as well as its direct and tacit supporters on both sides of the aisle, to restore our freedoms and sanity to Washington. Therefore, what follows is a “potential” scenario, which in no way should be construed as advocating an armed revolt against the federal government.

    The Trigger

    It’s difficult to pinpoint a particular spark that could or would ignite another civil war or revolution, but certainly mandatory H1N1 vaccination and presidential seizure of the internet are possibilities. It may even be a terrorist attack that many suspect the administration is setting-up the country for in its grand design to impose a dictatorship on the country. However, regardless of what touches-off the growing powder keg, we do know that (1) once angered, it takes a lot to calm Americans and (2) there would be a great deal of collateral damage.

    The First Days

    Conceivably, within the first days of an armed revolt, numerous politicians, Obama hacks, federal judges, and media members would be killed. Although the president may order active-duty military forces to supplement local law enforcement, it is doubtful that more than 40% of the military would obey his order to shoot American citizens and most of the military’s trained “gun fighters” are otherwise engaged in overseas combat zones. Additionally, many law enforcement personnel would opt to focus on humanitarian aid for those Americans caught in the crossfire versus taking on a well-armed and determined citizenry. Likewise, Obama could expect little to no support from the governors, as federalizing National Guard troops would not be in a state government’s interest when the focus of the revolt is the federal government. Additionally, it is conceivable that media outlets would be seized to enable communications for those Americans in revolt and voice their demands for a general and unconditional surrender of all politicians — including the president. Undoubtedly, Obama would exacerbate the problem by requesting UN assistance in the form of foreign Soldiers when his own Soldiers refused to shoot Americans.

    The First Week

    As the inevitable food and water shortages began within the large urban areas, the administration would be saddled with responding to this crisis. Additionally, with the seizures of transportation routes, medical supplies would quickly be problematic and the wounded would be dying for lack of medical treatment. Although the administration would likely attempt to harness this for political purposes, the non-existence of media in many areas, the lack of internet access, radio, digital television, and the destruction of key emergency networks would stifle the administration’s attempts to coalesce support from those Americans not involved in the armed revolt. In other words, the country’s communications infrastructure would have its weaknesses revealed and these weaknesses would benefit those in revolt. Meantime, from their areas of refuge, the administration would communicate via secure satellite systems in its attempts to re-establish authority.

    The Second Week

    After a brief lull in the killing, this period would be remembered as the time of purging. Obama supporters would be summarily executed in their homes and on the streets. Since the administration had gone so far as to seek UN assistance, the general American animosity toward the organization would come to the forefront and, again, this would only exacerbate the anger and trigger more bloodshed. By this point, gasoline is either unavailable or in the hands of those in revolt. The economy would have already ground to a halt, public transportation would be useless, and people would be dying from thirst.

    The First Month

    By this point, the military would be experiencing the highest desertion rate in its history, as active-duty members sought to ensure the safety of their own families or joined the revolt. Local law enforcement and the state’s National Guards would be providing humanitarian assistance only, and their orders would include not firing on armed Americans and using their own firearms only to defend women and children, having already experienced losses themselves for interfering with summary executions of male Obama supporters. Within the administration, the FBI would be vilified for its failure to understand the totality of American opposition to big government, as exemplified by the Obama administration. University professors would now be targeted for killing, economic collapse would be in full view of the world, the first foreign Soldiers would be on American soil and their dead would already be in the process of repatriation to their respective countries. At the local level, those bureaucrats who had exceeded their authority would also be targeted. Certain states would be sealed-off and its citizens refused access to another state. For example, fleeing Californians could expect to be shot at any eastern border, with their only egress point being Interstate 5 into the western half of Oregon. Since there is no gasoline at this point, the exodus would be on foot. Additionally, the country would be effectively split in half, as Americans from North and South consolidated their hold on the middle of the country in preparation for eastward and westward movement to support the warriors prosecuting the revolt in those areas. The urban areas would be in complete chaos as amoral thugs raped, looted, and burned large sections of the cities. Again, local law enforcement would be so busy with trying to protect people and property that they would not have the resources to put down the revolt. Obama could empty the prisons and attempt to arm any inmate who would support him. The upside to this move is that America would rid itself of a large portion of its prison population as these individuals were gunned-down mercilessly.

    The First Six Months

    In a last desperate bid to maintain power, Obama would extend peace-feelers to the informal government taking shape across the country. However, with the anarchists dead, the cities burned, local, state, and federal human targets neutralized, and its own inner debate ongoing, the revolutionists would only repeat its demand that Obama surrender himself and any remaining members of his administration and congressional representatives in the House and Senate, in order to stand trial. One of the key focal points of the new government would be enacting laws pertaining to those who had prosecuted the administration’s war against the revolution and, unlike the Revolutionary War where Americans held to Christian principles, Obama and his cohorts would face the very real possibility of being tried under new laws resulting from an internal compromise within the revolutionaries to dispense with the very protections Obama and Congress attempted to strip from Americans. In essence, those who had engaged in Washington’s “status quo” could expect no quarter.

    The First Year

    By this point, the Americans who had participated in the war would be working alongside local law enforcement and National Guard troops to maintain order, repair infrastructure, ensure logistical hubs were operating unfettered, and prosecuting war criminals on both sides of the conflict — including Obama, his cronies, and the current crop of Congressman and Senators. A new government would be in place and the borders with Mexico and Canada would be sealed completely, with illegal entry met with deadly force. Ports along the Gulf Coast would be receiving oil and supplies, debt repayment to the Chinese and Japanese would be in the process of negotiation, the assets of those who opposed the revolution would have been seized and being used to pay survival wages to those engaged in reconstruction efforts, communication infrastructure would be restored, and special tribunals would be enacted to determine the mainstream media’s complicity in triggering the war.

    The Next Five Years

    In the aftermath of the war, there would be unprecedented change. Lobbying would be outlawed, free speech would be curtailed in the aspect that certain political entities would no longer enjoy a right to exist (Communist Party USA, Nazi Party, Socialists, etc.), and all Americans would be forced to live within their economic means. Although suspended for the first five years, mortgage payments would resume, but at the current market value of ones home. In other words, banks and large mortgage entities would suffer catastrophic losses on their initial loans. Second Amendment rights would be near sacrosanct and those who had aided and abetted the administration by manipulating media coverage of Obama and Washington would still be enduring trials — and the courts would have the ability to sentence guilty parties to death for the court’s finding the accused had hidden facts from the American people. Churches would also be released from their current constraint on addressing political issues, but radical America-haters like Jeremiah Wright would be tried for treason. Another change to the country’s laws would include executions being carried out by firing squads and a streamlining of the appellate process. Americans in general would return to a time when being a neighbor and helping one another was more important than receiving government largesse. America’s “elitists” would be marginalized or dead (Hollywood, professors, career politicians, etc.), and inner-city youth would be working on public projects for food and shelter, with misbehavior or criminal activity met with summary execution. All “guilty” findings for rape and looting would result in execution, and prisons would house only those currently serving sentences, awaiting trial, or sentenced under a new War Crimes Act. Death Row would be abolished and those that had been awaiting execution would be shot.

    Six Years and Beyond

    By this point, the dead are buried (approximately 50-70 million), full foreign trade is restored, and true “warriors” command the country’s Title 10 forces. Farms are in the hands of individuals, the free market is established with new regulations, and the people are represented by non-career Congressman and Senators who willingly answer to the people. Those who participated in the revolution have returned home to their families and are re-building their lives, while local law enforcement maintains order. Governors are the backbone of the country’s interstate agreements and the non-essential elements of federal bureaucracy are dismantled (e.g., Department of Education, etc.). The axiom “all politics is local” takes on a new meaning in the country, and Americans actually feel empowered to participate in collective decision making and working with their representatives in D.C. Although the nightmare is far from over (it will take at least another two generations), real hope is restored and people are once again proud of their country and being known as an “American.” Despite the unfortunate sub-war that broke out along racial lines during the revolution, racial tensions are at the lowest they have ever been, because the race-baiters and welfare-pimps are all dead or awaiting execution, and Americans have been universally forced to rebuild alongside their neighbor, regardless of race. Foreign governments that aided and abetted Obama during the war are slowly re-entering normalized relations with the US, and those countries that sent troops to support Obama under the UN mandate had their assets seized to pay for reconstruction, including merchant ships, aircraft, and weapons. Totalitarian regimes around the world are labeled as such by the new American government, and immigration laws are changed to prevent known enemies from attending American universities or entering the country. As a further amendment to Freedom of Religion, those religious entities that refuse to abide by the Constitution and foment sub-cultures and lobby for “religious law” are banned, their assets seized, and said assets distributed to Americans for the “general welfare” — regardless of the recipient’s religious beliefs or lack thereof.

    Conclusion

    Far fetched? It couldn’t happen here? Maybe and maybe not. However, it would behoove all of America’s “political class” to recognize that an armed citizenry is not to be trifled with or ignored. So, Washington, what is it? Are you in or out?
     
  2. overbore

    overbore Monkey++

    INNNNN!

    Ever increasing and deliberate violations of our Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights, our Christian way of life and States Rights are under ever increasing attack by marxists within and without the White House which will likely lead to to the above scenario unless the abuses are quickly undone by
    1, The soap box
    2, the ballot box or
    3. the bullet box.

    The semi-conservatives like Snow ( willing accomplices) and all the "progressives/liberals/socialists" will ever attempt to placate our reform demands by ever increasing demands for us to give up our freedoms, our rights and our heritages for their unconstitutional marxist plans. My answer? Not only NO but Hell NO!!! It stops here and it stops now!!!!

    Obimanation and his cult followers are building a framework to overlay our Republic so that when they think an emergency has happened to give cover for their Commie coup, they will execute their long established plans. Great checkers players; unfortunately, pawns are sacrificed at a high rate in the man's game of chess-----.
    Laus Deo
    overbore
     
  3. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

  4. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Beer. Start stocking it up now while you can.
     
  5. overbore

    overbore Monkey++

  6. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

  7. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    I am IN. Many of us are not young or fit enough for the Front Line, but as in any war, those who are fighting the Enemy are supported and backed up by the rest of us, ten to one or more.

    I have rope and a few good trees - why waste a bullet? [beer]
     
  8. RAYARTHART

    RAYARTHART Monkey+++

    The sad thing is that it can or will happen. As said above, there are many of us that are old and will not be chosen to fight on the front lines. But as in modern warfare, there is no front lines.
     
  9. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    I will not go quietly into the night ...... except maybe to stalk the wounded to hasten their passing. [gun]If they have attacked an old pirate trying to peacefully live out the down side of his life, they should expect no quarter given or expected.
     
  10. overbore

    overbore Monkey++

    Here: My Damen und Herren---http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2G9E

    If you can not get a link to it do a search on Obama/Hitler; it is there--'

    overbore
     
  11. Shinmen Takezo

    Shinmen Takezo Monkey++

    Okay I was wondering if it was cool to post stuff like this on subjects like this--as long as you don't advocate it, correct?!

    I mean this is a hot topic.
    And without advocting hostile action against our government, there does seem to be a whole lot of speculation on this subject.

    I do not think since the 1860's has this sentiment been openly discussed.
    I am feeling an ill wind blowing.

    Does anyone feel the same as I?

    ST
     
  12. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    This site has no prohibitions against calling attention to the opinions of others, nor of expressing your own. We are strong believers in the First Amendment here (along with all the others.) However, you are right, advocating actions other than peaceful goes against common sense and the CoC, not a good thing. For example, if the starting post in this thread had not contained tacmotusn's disclaimer, it might have been been misread as advocacy and deleted. As it is, it is an interesting essay on one scenario of what might happen. The essay fits well with our reason for being here; what we, as preppers, might want to think about just in case. (Attribution to the author of the essay would have been nice, tho'.)

    Welcome aboard.
     
  13. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    IMHO you have to be careful how you post, and what you post. That said, I love this forum! The people seem to be Patriotic, Freedom loving, Level headed, folks who are not at all happy with government trends towards socialism. No one here that I know of wants to see things degenerate to the point of armed insurrection. Is it possible that things might occur that would take it to that point? Anything is Possible! Many decades ago I was a Boy Scout. Their Motto says it all. "Be Prepared".

    I noticed you were a junior member. Ask yourself, Why are you here? What do you want out of life? What can you do to improve the odds of reaching that goal? Check out the reading room! Read "Lights out", If that book in no way affects you and your way of thinking then there is nothing more I can say to you that would do any good. If that book reaches in and grabs your heart, and gives you food for thought that keeps you awake at night .... well maybe you are where a lot of us have been, and need to find solutions to satisfy your sense of well being. Try reading, "Unintended Consequences", then "Patriots", then "One Second After". Formulate your own plan for when and if The Sh*t Hits The Fan (TSHTF).

    The Moderators at this site are pretty good at keeping people posting and the site out of trouble with Big Brother. Make sure you understand the Code of Conduct. Ask questions, Post info or news for discussion and enjoy the site. [flag]
     
  14. Shinmen Takezo

    Shinmen Takezo Monkey++

    I noticed you were a junior member. Ask yourself, Why are you here? What do you want out of life? What can you do to improve the odds of reaching that goal?


    I may be completely new to this site, but not to survivalist type of forums... and if you add it all up, I'd probably be a senior member or higher. lol!.
    I just noticed that every site has its own tolerances, likes and dislikes. In short, I've been there and have lots of tee-shirts.

    I guess there are more freedom minded folks (like I am) than not here.


    And about the initial post... I'm in!

    And I personally think this may be soon to unfold.
    The stock market is not an indicator of the economy--it is a casino.
    All the governement numbers are just propaganda and window dressing.

    There is absolutely no difference in what Joseph Goebles did for Adolf Hitler, than what the lame-stream-media is doing for Barry Seotoro's administration. In fact they are going way beyond the skills and capabilites of Joesph Goebels.

    And what could possibly make such a scenario unfold?

    A distaste for what the government is currently doing? Nope!
    A round-up of weapons by Federal thugs? Not likely!

    The main factor at play would be a dollar collapse/debt defaut (and associated hyperinflation), and the implosion US governmental power ala the Soviet Union in the early 1990's. To boil it down the main thing that would kick-start such a scenario would be the majority of "regular joes" like you and me loosing all they have worked for... IRA's, 401k's, savings, etc. And this is coming sooner rather than later I believe.

    Economics have been the main cause for nearly every revolt in history. And I think it will be the same for us.

    In a recent interview with Gerald Celente, Glenn Beck played a clip of an interview with George Sorros... and on video tape this thug Sorros is asked about the economy. He is heard to say that he believes that what happened to the Soviet Union is in store for us (meaning implosion and downsizing of the federal government).

    I do not think that what they/them are doing in DC is any accident. Just think back on all the so-called mistakes they/them have made over the last 20 years. To think that no-one on the policy making level could not foresee nor forecast what is coming is ludicrous. To believe this would also be like thinking that a tornado could sweep though a automotive junkyard--throw up everything 20 thousand feet into the air and have the part land perfectly assembled into a Lexus.

    I think that the forecasts of Celented, Schiff and people like Panarin are what's in store for us.

    ST
     
  15. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Whatever happens in the next several months or years, the Administration will have brought upon itself by it's own actions or inactions. We Americans are normally a rather 'slow to move' bunch. We like our comforts, we aren't given to hysterics and open large-scale protestation like Europeans - but in recent times, we are being sorely tried.
    The fact that so many normally quiet and reserved American citizens are coming out fuming and ranting, attending the TEA parties and townhall meetings, asking very important tough questions - it shows the level of concern we all have - this is OUR future and the future of our children and grand children we are seeing being threatened. Our questions so far are being sloughed off, ignored and marginalised by The Administration. This is at THEIR peril ultimately. WE put a lot of stock in the United States Constitution and Bill Of Rights - and one right we have is to throw off an overbearing and domineering Government. We did it once before - I pray we do not have to do so again - but if it comes, we WILL "get 'er done!".
     
  16. MinTX

    MinTX lostinaustin

    IN!
    I may be small, but by golly I am gonna leave a mark! ;)
     
survivalmonkey SSL seal        survivalmonkey.com warrant canary
17282WuJHksJ9798f34razfKbPATqTq9E7