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Arizona Utility Targets Solar Home Owners

Discussion in 'Off Grid Living' started by Dunerunner, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Monkey

    This sounds so familiar...

    Big Solar Fight Breaks Out Between Utilities, Homeowners | Fox Business

  2. techsar

    techsar Monkey++

    Well, they certainly can't have people independent of the corporate gauntlet, can they? The next thing you know, the people may exercise their rights or worse yet, think for themselves.
    That just won't do....
    Cruisin Sloth, Brokor, oldawg and 3 others like this.
  3. Georgia_Boy

    Georgia_Boy Monkey+++

    How dare you think for yourselves? You cannot beat the Borg. We will tax you, tax you unless you just give us all of you money. Dang corporations like local gov't's will pursue control ($$$) regardless of commonsense or long term benefits.
    Gopherman likes this.
  4. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    The business model of producing electricity centrally, and reticulating it via wires and poles is going the way of vinyl and CD music. The more expensive it becomes, the more incentive there is to go solar, or other alternatives to coal, oil, nuclear, or hydro power generation.
  5. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    Typical! They push people to go green, then when we do, they come after you! The Tesla Power Wall unit may be the answer to all this Crap!
    The trick is to go completely Off Grid! This renders their argument about upkeep useless!
    I've been on the waiting list for a couple months now, still waiting to hear back from them.
    3cyl likes this.
  6. Gopherman

    Gopherman Sometimes I Wish I Could Go Back to Sleep Site Supporter++

    You just have to take advantage of the "Cabin" exceptions clause in a lot of States. If you put any kind of Public Utility
    Gas, Elec., Water etc. you are subject to building codes and applicable permits. Arkansas only requires a septic system as part of any structure your going to build. I don't know whether a composting toilet argument would hold up? We never got that far into it.
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  7. Altoidfishfins

    Altoidfishfins Monkey++

    Gotta nail you one way or another.

    If this settles out in favor of those who have installed solar panels, TEP will end up elevating electric rates and introducing new fees for everyone. If that move is blocked by the Arizona Corporation Commission, they may simply decide to cut back on power production and introduce rolling blackouts, a nasty situation for its customers in the punishing summer heat.

    Solar panels are becoming more and more popular as TEP has jacked up rates for years and people seek relief. If the utility thinks it's suffering, it only needs to look in the mirror because it drove its customers to seek a more cost-effective option.

    But still, the utility holds all the cards because cooling is such a necessity.
    Just my [2c] worth.
    Gopherman likes this.
  8. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    It kind of like reminds me of Enron....if there is no shortage...manufacture one.


    California electricity crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The decline and fall of the Enron empire - Salon.com
    Altoidfishfins likes this.
  9. hank2222

    hank2222 Monkey++

    The problem is In some areas there so all poles and lines did not reach back there infill the late 2000S time frames.so a lot of the people where off grid and others gen sets and solar panels before they got into the are
    I told one of them that they could keep there power lines because I do not need them
    Ganado, chelloveck and Dunerunner like this.
  10. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    It would be best to do what we are doing then. . Do not hook your solar to the grid. Just power part of your house and continue to buy power from them . It just means we use less. Are they going to start penalizing us for turning off the lights next?
    AD1 and 3cyl like this.
  11. DKR

    DKR Interesting ideas, interesting stories

    My son lives just outside Austin TX. He can buy power from one of several power generators - but he pays a fixed month fee for the delivery...wires ain't free

    He pays $0.04 / KWH and sometimes less as it is wind power. For a while he just payed the 'line fee'.

    Competition is great - if the State will allow it.
  12. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Here, if one has wind generators and spin the meter backwards past what they consume; the power company reimburses them.
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  13. john316

    john316 Monkey+

    "But the math is needed here, because “sun taxes” are coming fast to solar customers."

    don't like it........don't use the power company as a storage battery....instill your own battery bank ...cut off the power company.
    in florida we don't even use our own solar power......we have a contract with the power company and sell all of our solar power to the power company for about 32 cents/KWH....all of it.....all during this time....day and night.....the house is using grid power......paying 9 to 13 cents/KWH....
    RIGHT NOW ...about 8% off the power production is solar
  14. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    Ah yes don't use the power company as the battery, however we were not allowed to sell back to them if we installed battery storage, go figure...

    Rancher = Arizona
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