ATF eases Weapons Purchase Restrictions for Aliens....

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by BTPost, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    The Obama administration has decided to eliminate a 1998 restriction on the sale of guns to foreigners, claiming federal law does not allow the government to have different gun-control rules for noncitizens.

    In a letter to firearms dealers, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said it would no longer require sellers to obtain proof from foreign buyers that they have lived in the state for 90 days. The rule was originally instituted after a disturbed Palestinian, 69-year-old Ali Abu Kamal, admitted to the United States on a legal nonimmigrant visa, bought a 380-caliber Beretta semiautomatic handgun in Florida and, on the observation deck of the Empire State Building in New York City, shot to death one person and injured six others.

    “The Department of Justice … has recently concluded that, as a matter of law, applying a more stringent State residency requirement for aliens legally present in the U.S. than for U.S. citizens is incompatible with the language of the [Gun Control Act],” the ATF letter reads.

    Some gun-control advocates criticized the change. Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-New Jersey) said that eliminating the regulation defied “common sense and puts Americans at risk” because it could make it easier for foreign terrorists to obtain weapons inside the country.
    -Noel Brinkerhoff
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  2. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    While at the same time all for making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns... surprised not.
  3. Airtime

    Airtime Monkey+++

    Seems to be perfectly logical to me. The administration wants to disarm the population. So, claim you can't legally restrict non-citizens any more than US citizens and remove that policy. Then since the non-citizens present a risk, now they will need to ban/restrict everyone in order to keep them out of the hands of an unstable Pakistani. Seems to be consistent with their overall objectives of disarming the population..
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  4. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Just another case of stupid.
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  5. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Perfectly accurate and as usual 0bama is totally disgusting.

    The man goes to any length for his favored people; everyone and anyone except American citizens. That is in addition to his open disdain for Christians, Catholics, Jews, heterosexuals, our Military, police or anyone we would associate with.
    However, his latest is in sync with his Fast and Furious operation and his arming his so-called moderate al-Qaeda.
  6. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    And not being a citizen of Louisiana I cannot purchase a Pistol in that state!

    I wonder if an alien can now purchase what I can't?

    Weirder and weirder.
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  7. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    As they aren't citizens of any state of course they can.
  8. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Just another way to trample on State's Rights.
  9. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Actually, what it means is, "someone" was going to Sue their Ass off, on a Patently Unconstitutional Rule, and they decided that they couldn't win, and got out ahead of it, and cancelled the Rule....
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  10. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Unconstitutional Rule? for aliens> send them to Gitmo.
  11. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Louisiana Gun Laws - Gun |

    "When purchasing a firearm in a Louisiana gun shop, a buyer will encounter limited procedural barriers. Louisiana is commonly referred to as a "gun loving state." The only necessary requirement for purchase is a valid driver's license, which can prove the buyer meets the federal age limits: 21 for handguns and 18 for shotguns or rifles. There is no gun permit required to purchase a firearm in the state, nor is a gun license mandatory to detail ownership. Registration of long guns or handguns is also not required under Louisiana law.

    There are no restrictions on long guns in the state; the only areas where an individual cannot carry a loaded shotgun or rifle are on college campuses, or properties that specifically designate the barring of weapons. Areas such as schools, hospitals, municipalities, and places of worship often disallow carrying privileges. It is also permissible to transport loaded long guns in an automobile without a gun license.

    The most complex variation in Louisiana gun law revolves around a gun permit to conceal a loaded handgun. To qualify for a concealed gun permit an individual must be at least 21 years of age, a resident of Louisiana for at least 6 months, pass a basic weapons training course, take safety classes, and possess no background of felony convictions, alcohol or drug abuse, and mental illness. Once approved the permit takes 10 days to issue and is valid throughout the state for 4 years.

    Similar to purchasers of firearms, gun dealers in Louisiana face limited restriction. Louisiana requires no state license for gun dealers, nor requires records to be kept which would document information about the buyer and the weapon sold. Police inspections, or security precautions are also not placed on owners of retail gun shops in the state.

    There is no limit or restrictions on bulk purchases-most states institute a one handgun per month policy. Louisiana also does not require a background check on any sort of firearm purchase. Louisiana gun law also places no restrictions on ammunition, assault weapons testing, childproofing of weapons, or guns at the workplace.

    Although Louisiana has adopted a lenient stance in regards to the obtainment of a gun license or gun permit, there are still miscellaneous laws imposed to prevent the sale and transfer of illegal guns. It is illegal to tamper with, or remove any numbers on a firearm, which aid in the identification process.

    If serial numbers are altered, the gun becomes "hot", and selling, transferring, or purchasing such a weapon is considered illegal under Louisiana gun law. It is also illegal to operate any form of firearm while under the influence of drugs or alcohol in Louisiana. These laws are enforced to the fullest extent, and are crucial in limiting the amount of illegal murders via firearm in the state.

    Based on a ratio of population over amount of violent crimes, Louisiana currently ranks as the fourth most dangerous state in the country. With one violent crime per every 137 citizens, Louisiana is only behind Nevada, South Carolina, and Tennessee in this useful statistic. Granted, there are many cultural and economic factors that go into these numbers; however, one can assume that the absence of regulations in the gun license or gun permit process only augment the state's high violent crime statistics."
    Sorry, but I do not find that regulation .perhaps you could point it out?
    Louisiana gun regulations seem to be some of the most relaxed I've seen.
  12. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    But he still has to abide by the Federal Statutes, which do NOT allow a non-State Resident to purchase a Handgun... complete a ATF-4473 and be Cleared by a NICS Check...

    Any Alien, MUST prove Residency in that State, as well as supply their Green Card ID, on the ATF-4473 and NICS Check to buy a Handgun.....

    There is a Case in the Federal Appellate Court System, that is challenging the Constitutional Justification for the State Residency Requirement for Handgun Purchases.... as well.......
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2015
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  13. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    To be blunt, I see it closer to 0bama spitting in our faces.
    0bama wants more shootings where lots of people are killed to further his agenda. That was his purpose behind fast and furious and what else would be his purpose here.
    0bama is a lawless rogue president.
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  14. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey



    Aiding and abetting Muslim terrorist, business as usual from the Obama White House.
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  15. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    Kissing their and the illegal's butts while doing his best to screw us over.

    The old move on, there is nothing new to see here applies.
  16. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Well, In a brief summery, This is mostly true but not completely.
    You need permission from the ''Preacher'' to pack and you have to take an advanced coarse.
    There are restrictions on the workplace directed at the employee and employer.
    The bulk of restrictions are placed on the employer to provide a safe place for employees storage of firearms up to and including a separate parking lot...In close vicinity, To just give a rough brief.
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  17. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

  18. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    I saw "aliens" and said "Oh great! Now Martians can buy guns easier than law abiding US citizens!" Fortunately that only seems to hold true for Mexican drug cartel members for now.
  19. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Yea.... Our own ATF, is their Supplier..... "Psssst... Hey, Buddy... Can I interest you in a good Gun. No Background Check, or Forms, REQUIRED. Just take a look at these Babies, here in my Trunk."
  20. Tikka

    Tikka Monkey+++

    As one can always use a few firearms lacking a pedigree, I'm upset I missed 0bama's gun sales.

    However, we'd be in jail for doing the same thing..
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