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Beginning of World War III?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by E.L., Apr 18, 2009.

  1. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Israel stands ready to bomb Iran's nuclear sites
    Officials believe that Israel could be required to hit more than a dozen targets, including moving convoys. The sites include Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges produce enriched uranium; Esfahan, where 250 tonnes of gas is stored in tunnels; and Arak, where a heavy water reactor produces plutonium.
    The distance from Israel to at least one of the sites is more than 870 miles, a distance that the Israeli force practised covering in a training exercise last year that involved F15 and F16 jets, helicopters and refuelling tankers.
    The possible Israeli strike on Iran has drawn comparisons to its attack on the Osirak nuclear facility near Baghdad in 1981. That strike, which destroyed the facility in under 100 seconds, was completed without Israeli losses and checked Iraqi ambitions for a nuclear weapons programme.
    “We would not make the threat [against Iran] without the force to back it. There has been a recent move, a number of on-the-ground preparations, that indicate Israel's willingness to act,” said another official from Israel's intelligence community.
    He added that it was unlikely that Israel would carry out the attack without receiving at least tacit approval from America, which has struck a more reconciliatory tone in dealing with Iran under its new administration.
    An Israeli attack on Iran would entail flying over Jordanian and Iraqi airspace, where US forces have a strong presence.
    Ephraim Kam, the deputy director of the Institute for National Security Studies, said it was unlikely that the Americans would approve an attack.
    “The American defence establishment is unsure that the operation will be successful. And the results of the operation would only delay Iran's programme by two to four years,” he said.
    A visit by President Obama to Israel in June is expected to coincide with the national elections in Iran — timing that would allow the US Administration to re-evaluate diplomatic resolutions with Iran before hearing the Israeli position.
    “Many of the leaks or statements made by Israeli leaders and military commanders are meant for deterrence. The message is that if [the international community] is unable to solve the problem they need to take into account that we will solve it our way,” Mr Kam said.
    Among recent preparations by the airforce was the Israeli attack of a weapons convoy in Sudan bound for militants in the Gaza Strip.
    “Sudan was practice for the Israeli forces on a long-range attack,” Ronen Bergman, the author of The Secret War with Iran, said. “They wanted to see how they handled the transfer of information, hitting a moving target ... In that sense it was a rehearsal.”
    Israel has made public its intention to hold the largest-ever nationwide drill next month.
    Colonel Hilik Sofer told Haaretz, a daily Israeli newspaper, that the drill would “train for a reality in which during war missiles can fall on any part of the country without warning ... We want the citizens to understand that war can happen tomorrow morning”.
    Israel will conduct an exercise with US forces to test the ability of Arrow, its US-funded missile defence system. The exercise would test whether the system could intercept missiles launched at Israel.
    “Israel has made it clear that it will not tolerate the threat of a nuclear Iran. According to Israeli Intelligence they will have the bomb within two years ... Once they have a bomb it will be too late, and Israel will have no choice to strike — with or without America,” an official from the Israeli Defence Ministry said.

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  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    This was just mentioned on coast to coast a.m....Sounds cold but it wouldn't hurt my feelings any.As with the EMP thread, if Iran puts a medium range missile on a ship and it gets near the coast, one (hard won, lovingly handcrafted ) weapon could put a hurt on us...(making their efforts worth while).
  3. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    However, the question still remains as to: what action/s will the Russians take following any such activities? Then you have the Chinese as well...
    This may or may not be a "set-up", to get the entire world into a conflict.
    WWIII is not a fallacy for certain, "if ", this takes place.
    Either way, it looks bad.
  4. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    I think that an israeli attack on iran would be big enough to light the fuse.

    Also latin america. We all know how many immigrants, illegal or not are here, like MS-13 etc. They'd have their partisans already in our country. And Obama is about to open up cuba to "come visit". As for an iranian ship with a missile on it. We'd be tailing that with an LA class and as soon as they started to set it up, send it to davy jones locker. Until they get the missile range and accuracy to deliver that way only europe israel and japan have to worry. And by then I'd hope we had perfected our ABM items.

    Yeah china and russia are the big what if. I think japan and south korea could neutralize North korea unless china moves in. I'd expect most of europe and russia to stay neutral or just give aid, unless they're directly attacked, they've been through this crap alot in the past, lest they forget. But remember we are approaching the crisis generation.
  5. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    We can not follow the thousands upon thousands of ships that follow the trade routes to the U.S., remember it would not have to be a ship with a Iranian registry, it could any of a number of ships with a shipping container containing a missile with a nuclear warhead inside, then 50 miles off the coast open the container and send it off, this would give us five minutes of time to react before the eastern seaboard took a direct hit. This exact situation was written about in the book "Inside the Revolution."
  6. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    true, but there aren't 1000's upon 1000's of ships leaving iranian ports daily. Our Sats could track them all easily. Not to mention the 2 carrier tasks forces we have in the region. Any ship leaving the Arabian sea could and can have a complete anal probe before leaving, courtesy of the man. Then maybe half, if that would come to a US port so anyone within range would get extra scrutiny, maybe then a sub on them. Not to mention the setting up of their missile would take time, they don't have the sweet setups the ussr made and we have. in the 70's we could track all the russian subs at one time, I'm sure we can handle ships that left berth at an iranian port.
  7. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    What makes you think they would be leaving an Iranian port? Remember, Iran loves to begin and fund terrorist groups all over the globe. Hezbolla, Hamas, etc.
  8. ikean

    ikean Monkey++

    our borders have been open for a long time...there is no telling,who ,or what has assetts hidden away in our country.this has always bothered me.
  9. QuietOne

    QuietOne Monkey++

    Or send the ship to Mexico, put the container on a truck, then when they get about 50 miles from the border...

    Ikean, it has bothered me for a long time.
  10. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    There are so many roads in this country from mexico, it is scary!
    Many, no one ever looks at........
    It's no longer an "if".....scenario anymore.
    It's more to a "when"!
    I hope I'm at least 200 miles north, and upwind!
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