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Behold The New XD45 Compact

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Valkman, Feb 13, 2008.

  1. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Hahahaha I can't believe the wife let me buy a gun! Uh, I mean I decided to get one so I told her let's go! Yea that's the ticket! taser1

    I have a Service already and wanted a compact for carry. We have to test with each gun we want on our CCW and I'm taking the class Saturday so I had to get one pronto. No one had them but Las Vegas Gun Range got one in in one day and I picked it up today:

    Oops - oh wait I'm in NV! LOL


    All the stuff - comes with a 10rd mag for carry and a 13rd backup:


    Here's the differences in grip sizes, the Service in back has a 13rd mag in it and the Compact has a 10rd mag. About 3/4'" shorter.


    Both again:


    Gratuitous Strider pic! :D


    With Insight X2 light/laser:


    Same thing with Rafter S leather and Elephant holster:


    If it shoots like the Service I'll be happy as I can hit anything with that one. Hope to get out and shoot it Thursday!

    Whatcha think? [beer]
  2. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    wow! Nice set you got there!very cool.
  3. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Nice XDs. As you know, I carry them also. I need to pick up another one, or two, or three .45s.

    Here is my XD along with a (I think) Don Hume holster, Benchmade Apparition, and my Kel-Tec.

    Now you need to start stocking up on XD mags. I have about 20, but with the democrats looking more and more like the next tenets in the White House, I need to buy another 20.

    Don, how do you like the Insight X2? I have been thinking about buying one.

    carry gear (Medium).
  4. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    And the whole family. The 9mm was recently adopted by my neighbor.
    XD's (Medium).
  5. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    No XD's here, congrats on the purchase. Everybody I've talked to that owns one are very satisfied customers. [beer]

    Shouldn't there be another label stating causes cancer in the State of California
  6. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Thanks guys - I have about 5 or 6 13rd mags but have an accessory kit coming with 3 more. I agree can't have enough of those. The logic is astounding that 10 rounds is OK but 13 is too many.

    I bought that X2 light/laser and also the X2 light and never have used them. My one XD just sat out in the shop since I haven't had a CCW for a while. I think either would work well for a nightstand gun.
  7. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Yep, or "Causes Heart Attacks In Liberals In California" LOL
  8. fritz_monroe

    fritz_monroe Monkey+++

    I was able to pick up my XD40 today. I took it right to the range and put 100 rounds through it. I really like it. I do have to get in some practice, I tend to shoot low and to the left.
  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I have the XD45 service model for me and the XD9 Compact for the wife. Hers is a bedside Gun and I have the x2 light/laser on it. She loves it. And she has never been a gun person. She likes the flashlight and the convenience of seeing where the thing is aimed with the laser.
    As for mine I love it. And I have never been much of a tupperware fan. Die hard old school 1911 guy, but the XD won me over. And of course I seem to end up buying anything EL does!! I just got my Kel-Tec last week. Great little pocket pistol. Same configuration as EL's. Parkerized finish and I ordered the pocket clip. Also the 10 round extended mag fits my hands perfectly. Here is my daily arsenal. I use the XD for opening gates at night down on the border. The light mounted on the weapon leaves my other hand free to open gates and car doors. The Kel-Tec is in my pocket anytime I exit my vehicle to go pay for gas, use the restroom etc. while traveling. and the Spyderco Police Model is in my pocket every time I leave the house.
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  10. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Fritz, many seem to have the "low and left" thing when they get an XD. It should get better with practice as you're "pushing" it when you fire.

    Me too Minuteman - 1911's all the way until these came out. Love 'em!
  11. Nomad 2nd

    Nomad 2nd Monkey+++

    Low and left... Improve your trigger control.
  12. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I think I am going to get my wife the same.

    Same here. I have extolled the virtues and my love for the 1911 more times than I can count. To be honest though, I cannot remember the last time I carried my 1911. I have been carrying my XDs almost since I bought them. I even thought about putting up my Les Baer "Thunder Ranch Special" for sale (GASP!) :eek:[OO]eek3 because to be honest, I can buy almost four XDs for the price of it, or three ARs.

    Your wife must really love me. biglaffI expect her to [welcomeLG] me with a [smsh] the first time I meet her in person. But hey, now you have some great gear right?

    Sounds like you are well prepared. Keep that Kel-Tec in your pocket at all times, with one in the chamber. You never can tell when a fraction of a second means life or death, especially on the border. We both know how dangerous it is down there. You should be getting hazardous duty pay. Stay alert and be safe down there.
  13. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Minuteman, want to know what we might just be buying next? It fits well in the pocket of my Guide Series cargo pants. Just slightly bigger than the P3AT or the P32. Has the rail as you can see below the X2 fits on it well.


    Kel-Tec’s PF-9 is a slim 9 mm with a single-stack magazine that makes it a viable concealed-carry option. For duty or backup use, the rail allows users to hang a variety of accessories.
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    Three-dot sights are standard on the PF-9. The front post is fixed, while the rear is windage- adjustable after loosening its retaining screw.
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    Kel-Tec has developed a reputation for innovative and affordable firearm designs. Its new PF-9, a polymer-and-steel pistol chambered in 9 mm, is designed to fill a niche in Kel-Tec’s line between its P-3AT (a single-stack, 8.3-ounce .380 ACP) and its P-11 (a double-stack, 14-ounce 9 mm), and it is a hybrid of the two designs.
    The PF-9, which stands for “pistol, flat 9 mm,” combines the strengths of the two designs into an extremely appealing pocket-sized pistol. According to Tobias Obermeit, Kel-Tec’s design engineer, the PF-9 is for “those people who like the light weight and small size of the single-stack P-3AT but want a more powerful chambering, like in the double-stack P-11.”
    Although the PF-9’s size, weight and cost may make it unique in the realm of pocket pistols, it is not drastically different from other Kel-Tecs. The PF-9 shares the following components with the P-11: recoil springs, trigger, trigger pin, ejector, front sight and barrel. The PF-9’s feed ramp is an exception, due to the fact that it feeds from a single- rather than a double-stack detachable magazine. The PF-9 shares with the P-3AT the following: hammer block and spring, extractor and spring, trigger axis spring, firing pin spring and hammer spring.
    One area in which the PF-9 differs from the rest of Kel-Tec’s pistols as well as from much of the competition is the addition of an accessory rail on the frame’s dustcover—an unusual feature in this class. The result is a 9 mm that weighs a mere 14.5 ounces and measures 5 7/8 inches long, 4 1/4 inches tall andis only 7/8 inch wide. The company indicated there are currently no plans for a .40 S&W version.​
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    The Kel-Tec PF-9 is a recoil-operated, single-stack
    9 mm intended for discreet carry.
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    As is now common with today’s polymer-and-steel pocket pistols, the PF-9 is a double-action-only (DAO) design—meaning that a long, deliberate trigger pull is required for each shot. The Kel-Tec differs in that it is hammer-fired rather than using the more common striker-fired mechanism.
    The PF-9 does not have an external safety, instead it relies on the inherent safety of its DAO trigger system. The pistol does have a passive hammer-block safety that is disengaged only when the trigger is pulled the full DAO distance, adding an extra level of safety in case it is dropped or suffers a serious blow. The PF-9 offers no second-strike capability, however, and lacks a magazine safety—the latter a positive feature in the eyes of many shooters.
    Operation is the familiar tilting-barrel/locked-breech system in which the PF-9’s 4140 steel barrel is cammed downward to unlock from the ejection port of the 4140 steel slide. During the slide’s rearward movement the hammer rotates downward. It moves forward with the slide’s return movement until engaged by the hammer block, which holds it away from the firing pin.​
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    The magazine floorplate extension (seen below) makes the gun more manageable at the range.
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    Although the PF-9 appears to have a polymer frame, Kel-Tec instead calls this the “grip.” In fact, a 7075-T6 aluminum chassis that rests inside the Dupont Zytel 80G33 fiberglass-reinforced nylon housing is the serial-numbered part. The PF-9 is available in three finishes—blued, Parkerized or hard chromed—and the polymer grip housing is available in black, gray or green.
    Sights are in the three-dot pattern, with the rear sight being windage-adjustable after loosening its retaining Allen screw. The PF-9 has only two external controls—a slide-release lever and a conventionally located magazine-release button, giving it a sleek profile that helps minimize hangups during a draw.
    The sample I received for evaluation was a blued model with a black polymer grip housing. Picking it up immediately made its thinness apparent to all those who handled it. It disappeared into a front pant pocket when tested with a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster. I also acquired an Insight Technology X2 laser, which is a tiny light/laser combination unit. During testing, I found the pistol to be controllable, although its extremely light weight did make it something of a handful to shoot. Accuracy results are shown in the accompanying table. The X2 light/laser performed well and aided precision shooting.
    Near the end of the testing protocol, I experienced a malfunction in which the trigger bar disconnected from the trigger, rendering the pistol inoperable. The PF-9 was returned, and Kel-Tec installed a new trigger bar with a deeper and better formed spring cut. Testing resumed, and the PF-9 performed flawlessly with no further malfunctions.
    The PF-9 is definitely well suited for discreet carry, combining light weight, a powerful chambering, slim profile and good handling characteristics. When combined with its affordable price and lifetime warranty, this should be an extremely popular choice as a personal-protection pistol. ​
    <table align="center" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="3" height="146" width="465"> <tbody><tr> <th scope="col" bgcolor="#ffcc66" width="449">Accuracy Tests Kel-Tec’s PF-9

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    Five, five-shot groups fired from a sandbag rest at 25 yards,
    measured in inches.​
    <table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" height="38" width="436"> <tbody><tr class="text1"> <th scope="col" height="30" width="78">Velocity (fps)
    1-1/4</th> <th scope="col" width="92">Energy (ft-lbs)
    </th> <th scope="col" width="80">Smallest Group 3-3/16
    </th> <th scope="col" width="100">Largest Group
    5-13/16</th> <th scope="col" width="84">Average
    4.39</th> </tr> </tbody></table> ​
    Load: Speer Gold Dot 123-grain JHP ​
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    —Michael O. Humphries ​


    Manufacturer: Kel-Tec CNC Industries, Inc.
    (800) 515-9983;
    Caliber: 9 mm
    Action Type: Semi-automatic,
    Frame: 7075-T6 aluminum chassis with
    polymer housing
    Barrel: 3 1/8 inches
    Rifling: Six-groove, 1:16 RH
    Magazine Capacity: Seven
    Sights: Three-dot, windage-adjustable rear
    Trigger Pull: Double-action-only;
    6 pounds, 8 ounces
    Overall Length: 5 7/8 inches
    Width: 7/8 inch
    Height: 4 1/4 inches
    Weight: 14.5 ounces
    Accessories: Instruction manual, trigger lock, finger-extension floorplate
    MSRP: Blued, $333; Parkerized, $377;
    hard chromed, $390​
  14. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    There is a reason for this. When shooting the 1911 you are pulling the trigger straight back, but when shooting the XD the trigger goes back and up. It takes a bit of time to get used to shooting the different trigger pull. I noticed that the more I shot the XD, the better my accuracy was. For more info on the subject just do a search at http://www.xdtalk.com/.
  15. fritz_monroe

    fritz_monroe Monkey+++

    Thanks for the info, folks. First gun and limited trigger times means I have lots to improve upon.
  16. BigO01

    BigO01 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    To simplify your problem Fritz you have too much much finger on the trigger .

    Hold you hand out and make as though your firing your gun a few times and you will see that if you keep only your pad on the trigger it would travel straight back forth but , if you get your finger beyond the pad in the trigger guard your finger will travel to the left in order to take up the trigger enough to fire .

    You can get away with a bit too much finger on a 1911 trigger because it has such a short travel to make the gun go off , not so with these DA guns .

    Dry fire practice at home will help with this problem , might want to use snap caps though to protect the firing pin .
  17. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Yup, we'll have to get one of those! You might want to wear body armour when you meet the Mrs., which BTW may be soon. It is almost time to re-new my Well Control Cerificate. I am going to see if I can go to school in Tyler again. Let you know.
  18. Valkman

    Valkman Knifemaker Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Got into a CCW class tomorrow, so after all of our errands I ran over to the BLM land that's real close and ran a few mags through the new Compact just to make sure it works OK. No problems!
  19. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Since the trigger is a little different it just takes some trigger time with it also. According to the folks on the XD board, you can pretty much dry fire the XD as much as you want.
  20. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    The XD is not a DA gun, it is a striker fired auto with a different trigger. Not exactly the Glock action, but not far off. Keep in mind the trigger reset, and you shots will come a lot quicker if you do not take your finger off the trigger, but just allow the trigger to reset. The trigger will come forward just a small amount of travel. This is something I have to consciously make myself perform, since I have been shooting so long I have ingrained bad habits that are hard to kick.
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