Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by monkeyman, Sep 8, 2005.

  1. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I just heard on ABC news that as the military goes house to house to try and get folks to leave they are now also takeing ALL weapons from all citizens. 'No one staying will be allowed to be armed' said a soldier they were interviewing. Sorry but any soldier takeing part in stealing guns from citizens needs to be executed for treason, they are sworen to defend the constitution and yet are robbing thier countrymen of thier rights. This is truely a dark day. :cry:
  2. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    What do you wanna bet thier next trip through once they have folks disarmed wont be so polite.
  3. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

  4. TLynn

    TLynn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    More likely they'll just hand them their weapons.

    I've decided that 99.9999999999999999% of the people in an emergency situation are sheeple and I'm not to sure about the rest of them right now.

    If you want to argue with me go right ahead. Until you are in the situation yourself it's all talk (sorry but it's true). That's what's been told to me way too many times and you know what - it's true!

    We can say all we want about this or that...the cold hard facts are until we are faced with the situation staring us in our face (you noticed I said "our" face?) we can not judge...

    So do not judge the people who give up their are not in their position.
  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    NEW ORLEANS - Soldiers and police confiscated guns from homeowners as they went house to house, trying to clear the shattered city of holdouts because of the danger of disease and fire. Police on Friday also marked homes with corpses inside, with plans to return later.
    Police and soldiers also seized numerous guns for fear of confrontations with jittery residents who have armed themselves against looters.

    "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said.

    On Thursday, in the city's well-to-do Lower Garden District, a neighborhood with many antebellum mansions, members of the Oklahoma National Guard seized weapons from the inhabitants of one home. Those who were armed were handcuffed and briefly detained before being let go.

    I was in a really good mood today until I read this.Now my blood pressure is through the roof.

    Does anyone else have a problem with this?This is AMERICA
    by God not Iraq!!!!!!

    And I am not judging the people giving up thier guns.I'm judging the S.O.B.s who are taking them. These aren't armed thugs roaming the streets, these are American citizens in thier homes!!

    Who has the right to go in and confiscate thier legally owned guns.

    And the Oklahoma National Gaurd is taking them. What about the next time we have a tornado come through here that demolishes 30,000 homes like in '93. Are they going to confiscate weapons then,"for the common good"? You think you're going to take mine????

    MOLON LABE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  6. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    First thing this morning I found out I was going to have to replace my radiator in my p/u, I wasn't too ticked, but then I read this:

    "No one will be able to be armed. We are going to take all the weapons," Riley said.

    I was so mad I couldn't see straight. Not "we will not evacuate anyone with weapons, you must leave them here" but we are taking them all. Consfication.
    I am boiling mad. [rnt] :mad:
  7. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    You can say what you want about the originator of this article. But at least he has the cajones to vent his outrage on this.I have been to the NRA, GOA and, JFPO web sites and they have nothing. Only GOA is even reporting it and no comment!

    “The balloon has gone up, the shoe has dropped. Anyone doubting the criminal intentions of the social engineer control-freaks in Washington need only look at middle-class neighborhoods being stormed by black-masked wearing jackboots on a mission to steal guns.

    This is a precedent setting case for national gun confiscation. This is a clear declaration of war by the Federal Government against the American people. This is exactly how Lexington and Concord started the Revolutionary War in 1775.”

    – Alex Jones| September 9, 2005
    By Alex Jones

    The federal government has been chomping at the bit for decades to disarm the American people, and now an amalgamation of state and local police led by the BATF are having their deepest desire fulfilled in New Orleans.

    Major newspapers are reporting that in middle-class neighborhoods undamaged by floodwaters paramilitary police are going door-to-door demanding citizens’ firearms.

    The New York Times even admitted that this is so that the citizenry cannot resist when they are physically forced to leave their homes.

    Most of the residents are contscentious nurses and power plant employees who are currently working in key areas of infrastructure. Others refuse to leave because early on they were told they would have to break up their families to do so. Still more refuse to leave and give up beloved family pets.

    Hold outs, many of whom have a year’s supply of food and water filters, tell the police, “We’re the people who stopped the looters when you guys were nowhere to be seen in the first six days.”

    So the Federal Government does a horrible job delivering food and water to people they told to go to the Superdome, and now, almost two weeks later, they say the city is under their control. Their main mission: going door-to-door and confiscating American citizens’ lawfully owned firearms. This is treason. This is sedition against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and our way of life.

    I have been to over 10 urban warfare training drills where the military and the police work together. The national news always reports that it’s disaster relief training, when the truth is that they greedily train to subdue peaceful populations, disarm them and break up families.

    Remember back in 1993, when Bill Clinton announced weapon sweeps of public housing without warrants. They did it to the disadvantaged then, and most people didn’t care. Now, they are doing it to the middle-class in plain view of the world.

    They’re setting a precedent to take your property, to take your children, to take your guns. The courts have ruled over and over again that the police have no obligation to protect the public. At the same time, police have been trained that there really isn’t a Second Amendment and that Americans really don’t have a right to protect themselves.

    This unfolding gun confiscation tragedy stands as a monument to the true intentions of this parasitic government. It wants you disarmed and under heel. It wants slaves – subjects, not citizens.

    The law-abiding gun owning citizens of New Orleans are having their life line severed and the American people are witnessing a giant gun confiscation drill.

    There should be a howling, screaming the likes of which has never been heard against the Bush administration that is in control of New Orleans. If we let them legitimize gun confiscation for security, they are going to use this all over the country.

    Lord Bush is already licking his lips and talking about making Gonzalez, a person who is adamantly anti-gun, his pick to succeed Rehnquist.

    All Americans can now count on this: when you're in trouble or when you're in crisis, the "authorities" aren't going to come with aid. They're going to send a squad of goons to take advantage of the situation, take your guns and drag you off to a FEMA camp. This is what we pay taxes for.
  8. TLynn

    TLynn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    And people wonder why I've never had anything to do with the NRA and the like.

    Well here you go guys and see the answer in the fact they're not saying a damn thing! They're not protesting or screaming at Congress or anyone else.

    Just like always they're so far up our Government's behind it isn't even funny.

    We've already lost our freedom - we've become a police state...just look at New Orleans.

    It's only going to get worse. :(
  9. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    We have witnessed the final step put into motion...I don't want to listen to any more crap about circumstances, for the good of all, enough is enough. If we don't stand up and halt this RIGHT NOW then when they finally come knocking on our door, we will deserve just we get. This is unexcaptable in the United States, no excuses, no exceptions...just plain god-damned unacceptable.
  10. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    "No civilians in New Orleans will be allowed to carry pistols, shotguns or other firearms, said P. Edwin Compass III, the superintendent of police. "Only law enforcement are allowed to have weapons," he said.

    But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons."

    Why should a security guard be able to carry when a law abiding citizen can't? This is bull shit! So all I have to do is buy a cap from Galls that says "SECURITY" and then I can hire myself to protect my own house. F*CK them. I have probably had more firearms training than many of those donut eating b*stards! If you can't tell, I am really pissed!

  11. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    My referance to being less polite on thier next trip around was in referance to the fact that the stormtroopers will now have nothing to fear from the unarmed sheep as they kick in the doors, beat them down with battons or butt stroke them with thier rifles if they so much as hesitate to do as they are told. At least in NO the government now has just what they have wanted for years, a helpless, defensless populace who they can do to as they please with no fear of reprisal. As to not knowing how I would handle it, if its a choice between liveing as a slave and subject or dieing for what I believe there is no choice, liveing knowing I had betrayed my beliefs and my country would be worse than death. Yes, at that point resistance is suicide, when you are alone and likely caught unaware by a squad of military or paramilitary troops with thier arms at ready demanding you surender your guns to resist means you WILL be killed, for me to hand them over only means I would be useing a knife or rope later to do the same thing as I would be guilty of crimes deserving in my own opinion of death and so would no longer have a point to liveing.
  12. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    I'm struggling with this situation right now.... I have an older parent and a little one to take care of.... leave me alone.... Yup... I can take care of them ... no problem.... for a long time.... but force me to evac.... FORCE me.... Like TLynn says.... Depends.... Depends on what "force me" means..... I'm still thinking.... This SUCKS!..... This SUCKS BIG TIME ! :x
    I'm gonna be watching very carefully..... let's see what "force me" means down in NO.... then decide..... ;)
  13. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Means you are physicly removed, if you protest you are cuffed, if you resist you are taken to the ground and cuffed then you are removed, not sure yet if this is followed by criminal charges or not.
    So far as how I would handle it, I dont nesicarily figure others would follow my example, but I wont set an example of betraying what I believe for those who look to me and for ME it is truely better to die on my feet than to grovel at the feet of my masters and once disarmed that is truely what the government becomes, be they benign masters or brutal make no mistake once disarmed they are your masters. Some may not feel the same and it they are true to what they believe thats fine, I just hope they will stand for whatever it is they do believe...but wait once disarmed how will they stand for anything...
  14. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I have been following this around the net. It is a hot topic on all the boards. One incident that I keep reading about is a news clip, some say on Fox, of an older women being thrown to the ground by 2 young, either NOPD or NG, and her small revolver being taken away.

    Has anyone seen this. I don't have acess to American TV here. Maybe a good thing.If I had seen that I would probably have a broken television set.

    Folks this is just the tip of the iceberg.We will remember this black day as the day our nation gasped it's last breath. We are seeing the future. The next time we have a disaster. Natural or man made, the precedent has been set. We will. And I have no doubts about that statement at all. We WILL see this on a national level. And sooner than later.

    People are wondering and surprised that the NG and regular military are not refusing to obey these blatantly illegal orders.But should we be surprised.Our troops have been sent around the world to third world cesspools for years to train to do this very thing.They aren't going in to find and destroy,what an army is supposed to do.Thier job has been to be the policemen of the world.Go in surpress and disarm the population.So why are we surprised that they are doing exactly what they are trained to do.

    One of the Okla. NG was interviewed and asked about how he felt about what he was doing.His response "I feel bad about it,they are Americans and all.."
    Yeah but didn't stop him from following orders tho.Any person of any moral fiber would lay down thier weapon and refuse to carry out such an order.

    But these kids are brainwashed Gen Xers that have been taught that this is normal.They have been doing it to Haitians, Somalis, and Iraqi's,now they are doing it to Americans.And they may feel a twinge of guilt, but they carry right on anyway.

    To those Okla. NG troops down there I say this. Don't come back to our state expecting a heros welcome.You should slink in the back door with your heads hung in shame. And to paraphrase Shakespear "May history forget that you were ever my countrymen"
  15. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

  16. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

  17. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

  18. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    "We're from the Government. We're here to help."

    Drug Enforcement Administration agents conduct house to house searches Friday, Sept. 9, 2005 looking for holdouts who don't want to leave their homes and looking for those who might be injured and in need of help following Hurricane Katrina.

    AP Photo/The Dallas Morning News, , Barb
  19. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

  20. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Null and Void
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