Beware of our Government

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by tacmotusn, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    Nothing new here folks. Most of you are probably aware of this. For those of you unaware, uninformed, or uncaring, here it is. Read the following carefully and take note.
    A week ago, Attorney General Eric Holder told an audience at Northwestern University Law School that the President of the United States “in full accordance with the Constitution” can kill American citizens that pose a threat to the Federal government.
    Holder added something else that may actually account for Mueller’s confusion: The President’s authority to murder U.S. citizens without due process, trial or conviction is “not limited to the battlefields in Afghanistan” because “we are at war with a stateless enemy, prone to shifting operations from country to country.”
    Not to worry, though. Since the Obama Administration and the Federal bureaucracy have opted to do away with three Amendments included in the Bill of Rights, they have offered their own due process of sorts. Three conditions must be met prior to the murder, according to Holder: First, the target must pose an “imminent threat of violent attack against the U.S.” Second, capturing the target is deemed “not feasible” by the Administration. Third, the Federal government must engage the American citizen they intend to kill in a manner consistent with the rules of war: target must be deemed hostile; no excessive collateral damage; the manner chosen for the murder must not inflict unnecessary suffering.
    To condense the previous paragraph, it could be said that Holder’s list of requirements for murdering American citizens deemed hostile is the martial law equivalent of what once were the 5<sup>th</sup>, 6<sup>th</sup> and 8<sup>th</sup> Amendments. The Supreme Court offers no concrete definition of the term “martial law,” but most historical and legal experts contend its implementation is marked by things such as: military authority over civil and criminal laws, suspension of Habeas Corpus and the elimination of civil liberties such as the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association and freedom of movement. Under this martial law however, public knowledge of an individual’s prosecution is eliminated, as is fate determined by his peers and the guarantee of protection against cruel and unusual punishment.
    Liberty-defender Judge Andrew Napolitano put Holder’s explanation of why it is acceptable to kill Americans without trial into perspective in a recent FOX News interview, “His [Holder’s] argument is that there is a substituted form of due process. That if the President and his advisors carefully consider the danger of a human being and conclude that that human being needs to be stopped before that person causes anymore danger, then the President can kill him. That’s their argument. There is no case law that stands for that, there is no statue that authorizes it and it directly defies the 5<sup>th</sup> Amendment to the Constitution.”
    Napolitano also notes that the last time the Federal government said it could kill American citizens was during the Civil War, and “even Lincoln said it could only be done during combat.”
    “This Federal government, this Administration says it can kill Americans when they’re riding with their children in the car in a desert,” said the Judge.
    Most Americans do not believe that any of the above-mentioned information even applies to them and adhere to an “I don’t do anything against the law so why should I worry” mantra. That is a tough argument to back up considering recent developments such as the passage of the National Defense Authorization Act, initiatives by the FBI and the Department of Justice to flag mundane activities that many Americans take part in each day as possible indicators of terrorist activity, legislation focused on logging Americans’ every keystroke and Internet search and about 4,500 Federal laws (some of which you could be breaking at this very moment) on the books. How can anyone determine with absolute certainty that the Federal government will not target and kill them — if even by mistake?
    Due process is eliminated and the target will be dead once deemed a threat; there is no chance to defend innocence after the fact. Consider the patsies that the FBI and Department of Homeland Security are continually baiting into terror plots by trolling extremist websites and providing dummy weapons to bolster the alarmist agenda and assault on liberty: What if the Feds could get the “We Got Another Terrorist” headlines without any effort? What if it were as easy as locating any American who disagrees with the Federal agenda and murdering the person before releasing information to the tune of “President Obama heroically authorizes the killing of extremist John Doe averting thousands of deaths in terror plot”?
    The authorities have no shortage of possible targets. With the help of alarmist neocons continuing to push the Muslim-terrorist stereotype and the liberal left in the mainstream media and government painting American patriots as a growing legion of domestic terrorists, the perpetual-fear society is alive and well from sea to shining sea.
    Add the 5<sup>th</sup>, 6<sup>th</sup> and 8<sup>th</sup> Amendments to the dead or dying 1<sup>st</sup>, 2<sup>nd</sup>, 4<sup>th</sup> and 10<sup>th</sup> Amendments, sit back and wait for the rest of the Constitution to follow.
    There is one bright side to all of this for those who are so very concerned about Fluke’s contraceptives, Limbaugh’s poor choice of words, the right-left paradigm and any number of nonsense social issues: When the Federal elitists finish the job, they will stop using nonsense to divert Americans’ attention. How you feel about those issues will be decided for you.
  2. gunbartender

    gunbartender Monkey+++

    i just saw where the DOJ has stepped in in TX to stop the voter ID law. we are now one step closer......
  3. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    I would love to be able to condemn the administration's position, and say that an American's rights are sacrosanct, but I can't.

    I see American Citizens in the news every day, that cause me to think to myself, "That person just needs to be popped in the head, and buried in a shallow grave." I'm not proud of those thoughts, but when some POC decides that it's his God-given right to abuse children or animals; or invade someone's home, kill them and take their possessions, he just needs to be popped in the head. And when some freak decides that it's okay to blow up a building, and kill hundreds of innocent people, to make a political statement, pop to the head. (I would offer to pay for the ammo, but those cruise missiles get a bit expensive.)

    You declare war on my and mine, and you're going get what you have coming to you. I don't care what color you are, what religion you embrace, or what country's passport you carry.

    So, I wish the situation of a government killing its own citizens wasn't necessary, but I think that it is. I'd be more than a little upset to have a friend or family member die in a terrorist attack, and find out that the government had the terrorist in their cross-hairs, and didn't take him out. American citizen or not, a person's rights end when they begin to infringe upon those of another.
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  4. scrapman21009

    scrapman21009 Chupacabra Hunter

    tulianr, I aggre whole-heartedly with you, capital punishment should be a staple in our crimnal punishments, both as a punishment and as a deterrent to others. It is time to show the crimanal POS's that we, as a socity are fed up and will not take it anymore.

    Unfortunatly, the chance of this broader "assaination power" leaves itself wide open for misuse and abuse for political intrest just as easily as for it's intended purpose. just how to maintain oversight, while not risking OPSEC of the departments involved is the hard part. I for one, don't want to be popped in the head because I may have guns and publicly disagree with the big O and no one bothers to talk to me and find out myside of the story( which I never would do, he is the greatest president ever!)

    Remember, people in power will abuse that power, no matter how good their intentions at the start
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  5. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    They still issue WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE posters don't they !!!
  6. jungatheart

    jungatheart Beginner's Mind

    Geez, why would any one be afraid of Obama deciding whether they live or die? I mean, he's such a sane, rational person and not in the least interested in himself, only the country and it's citizens.

    I need to brush my teeth now. Not kidding, have this foul taste in my mouth.
  7. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    And most of the folks on websites like this are on a list that is halfway down the road already.
  8. oldawg

    oldawg Monkey+++

    One of many examples that our government has complete disregard for the rule of law.Patriot acts 1&2,NDAA,along with all the other powers they want for themselves have stripped us of about all our GOD given rights. Maybe,just maybe I'll live long enough to hear the call after all.Surely the citizens must be ready to change this course soon.Surely.
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  9. Lucky Johnson

    Lucky Johnson Monkey

    I don't believe everything I see or read in the news. Media just has a way of twisting the truth around so much that people don't know whether they are living in fantasy or reality. I don't believe the government should have the power to just knock somebody off because they feel it's necessary. What if that somebody was your wife or child or other family member and his/her only crime was doing what we are all doing now (posting opposing opinions of the government on a forum)? I believe every American citizen has the right to due process. There was a reason our founding fathers made it so. Otherwise the government can just kill off innocent men, women, and children because they simply feel like it. As for the true criminals, they keep committing crimes because they just get a slap on the wrist every time.

    And what if the one who declared war on you and yours was your own government? Would you still justify the government's power to just kill it's own citizens at will? In my eyes, that's exactly what the government has done!
  10. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    Wonder if I could get the mother-in-law on that list


    I know the father-in-law would be happy...

    They have been knocking of citizens for years prior administrations was just better at keeping secrets.
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  11. larryinalabama

    larryinalabama Monkey++

    Careful AD you might be ........... well just be careful LOL
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