Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed

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  1. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine The Plumber Founding Member

    Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed

    Posted by Noel Sheppard on March 3, 2007 - 10:22.

    In 2002, ABC made the decision to not renew Bill Maher's contract after he made some disgraceful comments on his program "Politically Incorrect" concerning America's military response to 9/11. After what transpired on "Real Time" Friday, the heads of HBO should be equally outraged, if not more.

    As the discussion moved to the attempted assassination of Vice President Cheney last week, Maher asked his panel why it was necessary for the Huffington Post to remove comments by readers concerning their disappointment that the attempt failed. As the conversation ensued, Maher said one of the most disgraceful and irresponsible things uttered on a major television program since Bush was elected.

    In a nutshell, the host said the world would be a safer place if the assassination attempt succeeded. And, he even had the nerve to reiterate it. Here’s the deplorable sequence of events for those that have the stomach for it (video available here courtesy of our friend Ms Underestimated):

    Maher: What about the people who got onto the Huffington Post – and these weren’t even the bloggers, these were just the comments section – who said they, they expressed regret that the attack on Dick Cheney failed.

    Joe Scarborough: Right

    Maher: Now…

    John Ridley: More than regret.

    Maher: Well, what did they say?

    Ridley: They said “We wish he would die.” I mean, it was (?) hate language.

    Barney Frank: They said the bomb was wasted. (laughter and applause)

    Maher: That’s a funny joke. But, seriously, if this isn’t China, shouldn’t you be able to say that? Why did Arianna Huffington, my girlfriend, I love her, but why did she take that off right away?

    After some discussion about why Huffington should or shouldn’t have taken these comments down, the following occurred:

    Ridley: It’s one thing to say you hate Dick Cheney, which applies to his politics. It’s another thing to say, “I’m sorry he didn’t die in an explosion." And I think, you know…

    Maher: But you should be able to say it. And by the way...

    Frank: Excuse me, Bill, but can I ask you a question? Do you decide what the topics are for this show?

    Maher: Yeah, I decide the topics, they don’t go there.

    Frank: But you exercise control over the show the way that she does over her blog.

    Maher: But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. (applause)

    Scarborough: If someone on this panel said that they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say…

    Frank: I think he did.

    Scarborough: Okay. Did you say…

    Maher: No, no. I quoted that.

    Frank: You don’t believe that?

    Maher: I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact.

    Wake up, HBO: one of your hosts said the world would be a safer place if the Vice President of the United States of America had been assassinated.

    *****Update: Upon further examination, it seems that Maher's comments last night were signficantly more serious and virulent than what got him fired from ABC in 2002.

    To refresh everyone's memory, on Monday, September 17, 2001, Maher and his "Politically Incorrect" panel were discussing the attacks. Dinesh D'Souza was one of the guests, and according to both a UPI article from September 19, and a September 20 transcript from the "O'Reilly Factor," D'Souza was making the case that the hijackers weren't cowards.

    From UPI (no link available):

    "Look at what they did," he said. "First of all, you have a whole bunch of guys who are willing to give their life. None of (them) backed out. All of them slammed themselves into pieces of concrete ... These are warriors."

    Maher, according to a transcript of the show, responded by saying, "We (the United States) have been cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."

    Maher appeared on the "O'Reilly Factor" the day after this UPI article was published, and defended his statements as follows:

    MAHER: I used the word we, we have been. That was a mistake because it's vague, and I apologize, as I do, to the military if they took it the wrong way. But I've been a huge military defender on this show, that is one of the things you and I would agree on, Bill, and maybe have when you were here.

    What I was talking about was the policy making body of this country, which has not responded and had not responded before this, to terrorism the way they should. I was saying basically that they blew up our embassies in Africa. That was not a small thing. And embassies -- I know it's way over in Africa, that is American soil. And 100 people...

    O'REILLY: So you're basically laying this at the doorstep of your guy, Bill Clinton. Is that we, his administration?

    MAHER: OK, but you know what, as a society now we're coming together and we're all lobbying in the same way toward the president.

    So when that happened I didn't hear a big out cry from Congress when Clinton did that. The country was satisfied to handle the problem that way. The country did not want to tackle terrorism then. And that's what we did, we lobbed a cruise missile at a pharmaceutical factory. Same thing when we tried to get bin Laden the last time.


    MAHER: I think they're [the hijackers] moral cowards. But physical cowards, cowards in war, cowards in the sense of a soldier who falls on a grenade, no. And I think we make a mistake when we underestimate our enemy. I think that is a big mistake in this country to assume that these people are stupid and cowardly, because we are up against it now.

    With that in mind, it seems safe to say that making reference to an attempted assassination of a sitting Vice President in the way Maher did Friday night -- actually voicing regret that the attempt failed, and stating unequivocally it would have been better if the plan had succeeded -- is far worse than what Maher stated on "PI" five and a half years ago, and should be dealt with just as seriously by the heads of HBO.

  2. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    Sorry, I always had a problem with PI being cancelled because of Mahers comments.

    A talk show called Politically Incorrect... cancelled for being politically incorrect? go figure.

    For that matter his comments were correct, the hijackers were not cowards. Stupid, insane, reprehensible, ok..... but not cowardly. How in the world does anyone get "cowardly" out of sacrificing your life for your cause? Some of our greatest heroes selflessly gave their lives for their cause, were they cowards too?

    For the Cheney thing.... well, free speech is a bi**h sometimes, eh?
  3. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    Bill Maher will say anything to get ratings. I think that he is boring myself. He's just another [troll] trying to garner attention.
  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    I guess I'm another politically incorrect one because , while I may or may not agree with him, I certainly think he has every right to say it and you and I have every right to change the channel if we disagree.
  5. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    I have no problem with his right to say what he wants, I just think his "shtik" is getting old. He really wants to be a controversial, I just find him boring. Like many, I just change the channel.
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    Politically incorrect or not, advocating the overthrow or assassination is a bit silly, not to mention illegal. I don't see where being sorry for a failure of someone else's making is illegal, just pushing the stupid button pretty hard to say and do in public. Uv cuss, that is Billy's stock in trade, making stupid statements without thinking too hard on the consequences. [stirpot]
  7. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    And look at Coulter this weekend. I think they are following a script of outrageous speech that will help push the end of free speech. Abuse it and they will take it away type thing.

    I don't really care for either of the above but I'm sure Maher will be getting audited this year. Coulter will get another Book deal
  8. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    Bring attention to yourself and you will either make more money, or get canned. It is a fine line and depends wholly upon the base that you are trying to energize. Jim Zumbo was attempting to be controversial (according to his interview on "Gun Talk") when he typed his now infamous blog. He got canned. It's a fine line.
  9. GaryBrun

    GaryBrun Monkey+++

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    About all those that wish the VP a fast ticket to the abyss. They may better hope his health deteriorates. His cardiovascular system is not really up to speed. That "assassination", no scratch that, that suicide attack was not aimed at the VP directly (maybe as a protest or something) and killed scores of people. Yanks and Iraqis alike.

    If I would wish ill luck on any politician associated with this cabinet it probably would not be Cheney. If Rumsfield was not ever born maybe, just maybe, millions of people would be alive today that had to die.

    I credit him and not Reagan though the downfall of the Soviet Empire. He forced reversal of détente on Ford in regards to the SU. Reagan reaped the rewards.

    Overall he did very well for the MIC.
  10. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    Re: Bill Maher Sorry Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Fa

    [winkthumb] I just reread the first admendment and I could not find any execption to the the rule. [dunno]

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