Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by Pitdog, Apr 20, 2008.
Anyone know of a source for some of the clotting powders?
You can use ground cayenne pepper, ground witch hazel, and from what I have read cob webs.
What clotting powders? You need to be more specific, you mean chitosin bandages? Never saw clotting powder "in the box"
Celox and Traumadex available here.
I have both and have bought from BOB many times.
I'm not trained in it's use but I figure if the decision is bleed out or bleed out, I might be willing to give them a try.
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Any farm supply store will have blood clotter with their hoof and horn trimming supplies.
Thanks for the replies, I will be looking.
Got some friends @ Bragg looking.
Yup, I would be looking at the spice rack (cyanne pepper, black pepper, etc) or the farm supply places. I have a bottle that got from Farm and Home localy and keep it in the kit for the farm and animals.
Farm supply places are an AWESOME source for medical supplies. You can get the clotting agents, syringes, IV or oral antibiotics, Coban (excelent wrap and exact stuff you pay through the nose for at drug stores but for pennies on the dollar), scalpuls, and some time even sutchers as well as staples and such.
Regular table pepper can be used for blood clotting. Its also antibacterial in nature. I've used it with success in minor cuts due to daily misshaps. I carry a packet in my pocket that you see in restaurants and when I cut myself and apply it to the wound it stops the bleeding. There is no burning sensation when used. I've not tried it on any major cuts because I've not had the contact for anything major.
Hm. Interesting use for pepper. Parallels its use in Barsleak for automotive radiators. (Works well there, too.) Any of our EMTs have input for this?
IF that's( only) you wan,t JUST a powder, then you can research the chitosan,( made of shells,eg: crayfish hulls/exoskeletons) and easily process your own, if it's what you want!
"Wonder Dust",sold at any farm&feed,box store pet section,or Amazon.Been using the stuff for years,and farmers have been using it forever.It's pretty inexpensive as well.
It itches abit,but doesnt burn like some clotting agents.Only to be used on minor wounds,except in an emergency where bleeding out may be an issue.Being mildly caustic,it can cause tissue damage that cause problems for stitching up later.Most clotting agents are the same,but as I said burn more.
It also contains several ingredients(charcoal,quick lime,tri-sulpha)that make it usable as a component in a DIY NBC mask.
Feed stores are the place to get that stuff.Tractor Supply, Southern States and others .Any place that has animal medical supplies .
Vet supplies work just fine - especially for Antibiotics
sugar works great in an emergency
corn starch too
potassium permagnate helps and cleans the wound
I had a thought!!
Kaolin clay(found primarily in Ga./S.E.)is what makes the newest gen of"Quick Clot"work.
That same"Kaolin"is one of the two active ingredients in"Kaopectate".I wonder if putting some on feminine pads(man hole covers),and letting it dry,could be used later if kept sterile??
"Kaolin"is also what the cheap clay oil absorb/kitty litter is made of.Maybe if crushed up into powder,and sterilized??
(WARNING!!)Dont go dumping the litter box on someone bleeding to death!!
Joke, laugh, whatever, but don't forget tampons are excellent for expedient bullet wound blood loss stopage while seeking further treatment.
I take sanitary napkins seriously
I'm not laughing....I keep tampons sanitary napkins as supplies supplemental to my various FAKs. Although clean, they are not sterile....but the risks of dying of sepsis are not as great, (and can be dealt with later with anti-biotics) as running out of blood due to a bleed out. Failure to control a bleed out and you'll be deader much quicker, and with no chance at all to deal with any infection issues that arise due to tampon sanitary napkin usage.
Sanitary napkin, not tampon.
Edit: No need to apologise about posting a contrary viewpoint...I do it frequently on this site. No claim should be blithely accepted without challenge or testing. You make valid observations, and has caused me to re-evaluate my beliefs in respect of the matter. I have learned a few things more than I did before you submitted post, and in the process of re-evaluation we all learn more. Reasoned skepticism is a sensible way of examining received wisdom.
Perhaps I hadn't used the right terminology...what I meant was sanitary napkin...not the plug type thingy...being the blokey fellow I am, I have carelessly used the incorrect terminology...
Using a clean but non sterile dressing is fraught with the risk of bacterial infection, but that is balanced against the risk of dying of a bleed out. In an emergency stopping a bleedout is the priority. Any wound that is potentially causing a bleed out will normally be eventually dealt with in an ER or the trauma department of a hospital and the resuscitation team will take appropriate anti-sepsis precautions once the damaged blood vessels have been dealt with.
I keep sanitary napkins in my FAK as a supplementary item...not in place of sterile dressings. In treating the wound, and promoting clotting, I would first use a sterile dressing first and then if necessary, place a sanitary napkin over the top of the sterile dressing. It beats nothing at all, or improvised dressings that are not at least clean.
for further reading:
‘Clean’ vs. ‘Sterile’ Are sanitary napkins and diapers acceptable as wound dressings?
perhaps I may need to revise my thinking about the usefulness of sanitary napkins. Gauze dressings are the preferred option.
Sanitary napkin aka"manhole cover".
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