British fugitive shoots dead two unarmed policewomen

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by tulianr, Sep 18, 2012.

  1. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    LONDON (Reuters) - One of Britain's most wanted fugitives killed two unarmed policewomen on Tuesday in a gun and grenade ambush, police said, killings which are likely to reignite a long-running debate over whether British officers should carry guns.
    Police constables Fiona Bone, 32, and Nicola Hughes, 23, were gunned down in a hail of bullets after responding to a hoax call about a burglary in the northern English city of Manchester.
    Despite shock over the murders, described by Prime Minister David Cameron as "despicable", senior police officers said they were determined that the British force would remain one of few in the world which is not routinely armed.
    Police said the two constables, one of whom was about to be married, had been deliberately lured into a trap by Dale Cregan, 29, a suspect in another double killing in the city. Cregan handed himself into a local police station after the shooting.
    Either Cregan or an associate made the false burglary report to lure the officers to the scene, said Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Peter Fahy.
    "Then he has come out and shot and killed them both," Fahy told reporters, adding Cregan also threw a grenade at them.
    "Certainly, it would appear to be that he has deliberately done this in an act of absolutely cold-blooded murder. It's almost impossible to fathom such an evil act."
    Fahy did not offer any possible motive for the ambush.
    Witnesses reported hearing more than a dozen shots and an explosion. One of the officers died at the scene and the other in hospital, police said.
    Fahy said catching Cregan had been their top priority since the murder of David Short in August and the shooting of Short's son Mark in a pub in May.
    Local media said those killings resulted from a long-running family feud and police had offered a 50,000 pound ($81,000) reward for information leading to his arrest.
    Politicians and chief officers across the country spoke of their horror at Tuesday's shootings.
    "What we've seen is just (an) absolutely despicable act of pure evil," Cameron said in a statement.
    It is rare for British police officers, especially female constables, to be killed in the line of duty. Unlike the bulk of forces across the world, the overwhelming majority of Britain's 150,000 police officers do not regularly carry firearms, although every force has special armed units and some carry electric Taser stun guns.
    The last time more than one police officer was shot dead in the same incident in Britain was in the 1960s.
    In 2005, unarmed constable Sharon Beshenivsky was killed and a female colleague wounded when they went to investigate an armed robbery in the northern English city of Bradford.
    That led to a heated debate over whether Britain should arm its police, but Fahy, other senior officers and politicians again said they did not want officers to carry firearms.
    "We are passionate that the British style of policing is routinely unarmed policing," he said.
    "Sadly we know from the experience in America and other countries that having armed officers certainly does not mean sadly that police officers do not end up getting shot dead."
    Cameron said more armed units were now available than previously. "This was supposed to be the response to a domestic burglary and that wouldn't require armed officers," he said.
  2. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    How could this possibly happen?????
    Firearms are basically unobtainum
    Oh the travesty, Law don't work? Who could have ever thought that a criminal would have an illegal firearm?
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  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    The size of Great Britain is comparable to the State of Kansas, with just over 80,000 square miles. Let's take California, which is about twice the size of Britain and compare the police force: approximately 75,000 police, not counting federal officers employed in California in 2004.

    Britain is no doubt a police state. And gun control doesn't reduce violent crime, it welcomes it.
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  4. tulianr

    tulianr Don Quixote de la Monkey

    At least within the area in which I lived for several years, North Yorkshire, there seemed to be a greater fear/respect of the police than I was used to in America. I was rather surprised when I was warned, almost immediately upon arrival, to quickly exit the area of any disturbance; and to never give the police cause to pick me up. I was warned that people generally left the police station with quite a few more bruises than they entered with.

    I saw an encounter with the police the first weekend that I was there, that served to reinforce what I had been told. I was walking down a street, after leaving a club about two in the morning, and saw two small groups of young fellows begin a pushing/shoving match. Within a matter of seconds, a police van which had been parked around the corner, presumably waiting for such a disturbance, screeched to a halt in front of the small crowd which had formed. Four officers jumped out and began swinging truncheons, longer than what we think of as a "night stick." They gave no warnings. They didn't ask who started it. They didn't say, "Okay, break it up now." They just started swinging. People scattered in all directions, leaving several of their fellows lying bleeding on the sidewalk. The cops picked up these bleeding fellows, tossed them into the van, and drove away. I was still standing there with my mouth hanging open as they drove away.

    Most of the cops that I personally encountered while I was there seemed a nice enough lot. As long as you were polite, they were very polite. But I never gave them the cause to be anything other than polite.
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