Bugout or Bugin?

Discussion in 'Back to Basics' started by VisuTrac, Aug 30, 2010.

  1. Bugging In

    102 vote(s)
  2. Bugging Out

    13 vote(s)
  3. Not sure

    12 vote(s)
  4. I'm not telling you.

    22 vote(s)
  1. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    Let me see if I got this right. You are going to go to the east coast after the shtf and pick up some friends and then come back to the west coast ? What form of stealth transportation do you have that the rest of us have missed out on ? 6,000 miles total trip and you will have no problems with gas and food, let alone some people who may want whatever you have ? Better do a lot more thinking on this one Vhestin
  2. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    Twas meant to be a joke more or less. I'd be on foot and can't leave my mother alone that long, or our animals. Already told my friends that they have to get over here themselves.
  3. Wild Trapper

    Wild Trapper Pirate Biker

    If you can't get 'em there now, I'd 'forget about it'. Unless they are indoctrinated to the culture out west, they'd never fit in. Heck, I only moved 500 miles west from out east and had to undergo some serious cultural changes to fit in.[peep]
  4. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    Is that anything like my culture shock experience when I visited England and hopped over to Dublin for a day and got to enjoy the wonder of pay toilets? FYI, the Dublin International airport actually has a metal statue of a flying pig in front of an entrance.

    P.S. My friends if they get over here will still have to indulge in some slave labor. Room/board ain't gonna be free.
  5. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    LOL, although instead of slave labor you might call it union labor and make them feel better !~
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Sounds like barter to me --. Just don't let them unionize ---.
  7. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    Your right, slap my face for even thinking of unionizing ! Keep em' wet, hungry and in the dark, like we used to do to the marines and then give em' ammo when they leave the ships to go on the beach.
  8. Hiker72

    Hiker72 Monkey+

    Bug in until I can't.

    Alternately travel and bug in with family if something were serious enough and enough advance notice.
  9. hedger

    hedger Monkey+

    Almost 80%?

    I admit that I am mildly shocked that approximately 80% are planning for a bug-in situation.

    Maybe we'll start seeing some bug-in oriented blogs getting started.

    I know there are a lot of homestead/farm/boonie type of bug-in blogs but I simply have not yet seen any bug-in blogs for an average homeowner.
  10. Hiker72

    Hiker72 Monkey+

    Or better yet, for the apartment dweller (like me)
  11. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    Buggin' in leaves you with some good and some bad options. Good, as your supplies and comfort zone are all around you, bad as you are a possible target. But trying to take away a home from a man or woman who has decided to fight to the death is much more difficult than trying to take the same family out in the woods constantly on the move.
  12. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    One thing you didn't point out is, that home owner has home court advantage and if they have planned for it then you could be in for a #&!! of a fight.

  13. Siskiyoumom

    Siskiyoumom Monkey+

    Buggin in due to our ages.

    Dear husband has spoken often that to leave our home on foot or by cohersion of the alphabet soup folks means we would essentially be refugees.

    Neither of us are inclined to be warriors due to lack of skill or experience.

    We do have our garden and orchard, water, a paid for home, a wee bit of land, and friends near by.

    Our thought is not preparing for teotwawki, but for retirement, economic disruptions, hyperinflation, and enevitable earthquakes, wild land fires and rock slides.

    We have been stuck in our home due to snow storms and closed roads.

    So we do as much as we can to stay stocked up a bit, keep our bills paid, and enjoy our lives.

    We are not able to support a bunch of folks coming to our place in the worst case scenario.

    And the few who hazard to say "If something bad happens we'll come to your house!", we replied, "Well we don't have much to offer except floor space in the living room, you see, we gave all our y2k preps to the Salvation Army, and we have nothing extra or special. We plan on depending on the good old U.S. of A. to feed us.".
    The look of dismay and shock has been very encouraging to us.

    We live in an area where many folks come to recreate and and hunt.

    Many I am sure, think they will come here and take over and be all set.

    The reality is, is that the locals do not cotton to outsiders in the first place, let alone the taking over one's home.

    So it will be interesting to see what happens.

    And may God protect us in any event.

  14. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    In time of trouble, the smart communities will come together for mutual defense and assitance. Justice will be swift and harsh for the MZB's who try to take what they want. Think the 'Old West'. Kill a rancher, soon you have a posse on your trail - and these days, some members will be skilled ex-military. Hunting rifles will make short work of many troublemakers. Ropes will take care of others.
    The 'lone wolf' trailering through the area will be met with hard eyes and little compassion. Develop your neighborhood contacts NOW.

    I'm of the age and health where bugging out will mean a temporary exit from the AO if a Cat FIve is breathing down our necks. I WILL be back to pick up the pieces - it's MY land. I will help my neighbors too. True prepping goes beyond 'survival', mere subsistence living. We want to prosper and LIVE. No lone wolf bugging out for the hills will do that.
    I cover my bases, and am becoming ready to 'hit the road' if the very worst comes. But staying put is the best bet.
  15. Wild Trapper

    Wild Trapper Pirate Biker

    Lot of issues come up that the criminal mindset doesn't seem to comprehend about folks in general. First, if society broke down, almost everyone who owned anything would be on high alert for just such looters. Burning folks out for there preps makes no sense at all as then the preps would all be burned up. thus no good for the looters either. Form the above post, a motorcycle as a means of transportation to also haul 20 gallon of gas, while still getting 60mpg, Sounds like a traveling disaster waiting to happen. Stealing gas from tractors and combines, most today do not use gas. Even my little tractor doesn't use gas.
  16. Nadja

    Nadja RIP 3-11-2013 Forum Leader

    Then as you said SeaWolf, alot of us are ex military and not to happy with lone wolf types even now, let alone when tshtf. My dogs tell me when somebody is within about 1/2 mile from here and we go on instant alert, I turn on all my wireless alarms etc , especially at night. My nearest neighbor is also my old framing partner and he was air medivac over in the Nam. Shot down 7 times over the 2 tours, and walked out twice, unarmed. Give him a gun and look out.

    Also, add your body weight along with 160 pounds for the 20 gal of gas, and then carry gear on your motor sikkle too ? You must be running 10 ply truck tires on it.
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Say 160 lbs of rider, 160 more of gas, not a problem for most bikes 500 cc and up, very similar to carrying a pillion passenger. But 60 mpg? A pipe dream for a bike with enough snort for that kind of weight. But a rolling torch if anything goes awry, and not much capacity left for things that go bang or to be eaten.

    Back in the day, I had a K bike that got me 35 mpg unladen. My current trumpet does 40 unladen if I'm not horsing around. The minute I start twisting my wrist with anything approaching vigor, it goes down faster than the front wheel can go up (which, I add, is similar to a suborbital launch.)
  18. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    60MPG for a small bike. My KLR650 has a rated 412 pound weight limit. My manly bod alone takes up the lion's share of that! I HAVE carried a long-weekend's worth of camping gear on the highway - mileage in the high 40's. With just me, it gets in the 47MPG area. Got 53MPG with 'real gas', before the danged E10 gas.
    Even smaller bikes can be equipped to tow small trailers. A buddy has a neat single-wheel trailer for his KLR, and has been all over the US and Mexico - 85,000 recorded miles last I knew.
    Side cases can be used to carry a lot of gear - you want the load as low as possible. A dufflebag and tent on the rear rack puts the center of gravity mighty high - then maneuvering offroad gets very dicey!
    A group of bikes with a van or PU truck as a support vehicle makes more sense.
  19. Intoodeep

    Intoodeep Monkey+

    Staying home...don't really have a better option live where I do, it's just not feasible to drive anywhere without complete gridlock.
  20. toydoc

    toydoc Monkey+++

    In 08 I rode a DL1000 VSTROM from West Central Mo to Anchorage, AK and back. The trip was just shy of 8000 miles and total load was 500 lbs(me and gear) not counting bike and fluids. It only proves that one can do stupid things if you try hard enough. Now the thought of adding a trailer to the bike might make things doable in a bug out situation. However, I doubt that I could carry enough stuff for me and the wife to endure a long time in the wild.
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