Bumbling Cops in SF Kommiefornia

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by BTPost, Sep 18, 2011.


  1. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Two bystanders wounded in S.F. police shooting

    According to KCBS and Bay City News Service, two bystanders were hit by gunfire after an officer-involved shooting in San Francisco’s North Beach neighborhood early this morning.

    According to police, at 2:06 a.m., officers located a wanted person in the 400 block of Broadway. The suspect ran away from police and produced a weapon, they said.

    Officers then fired at the suspect, who was not hit. However, two bystanders were hit by the gunfire. They were taken to a hospital to be treated for their injuries that are not believed to be life-threatening, according to police.

    The suspect, who was not wounded, was taken into custody. The suspect’s weapon was recovered, police said.

    Police did not have information available about how many officers were involved in the shooting or how many rounds were fired.

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    and the Kommiefornia State Legislature has sent a BILL to Governor MoonBeam Brown to make Open Carry against the Law in Kommiefornia....
    He has until mid October to decide if he will Sign it, or Veto it.....
     
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  2. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    I would almost bet it's one of two things either a boot fresh out of the academy and his FTO didn't keep him under control or a officer who only shoots his weapon twice a year to qualify. Fire arms has to be pratice, practice and more practice that gun needs to feel like a part of your arm when you daw it sighting should come natural. Or people will end up hurt or dead.
     
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  3. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I'd put my money on the officer that only shoots his weapon twice a year and takes more than one try to qualify.
     
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  4. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    And that is why I don't worry about the police after SHTF. It's the homies that practice more often protecting their turf!
    taser1
     
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  5. Opinionated

    Opinionated Monkey+

    I'm pretty sure they only qualify once a year.

    As some of you no doubt know by now; I'm very pro LEO. In fact I help train their special teams in weapons and tactics. I do it regularly, and have for quite some time now.

    With that in mind I want to tell you something: "Most police officers are NOT gun people. Most police officers would NOT wear a duty gun if they had a choice."

    That two officers in the City of Fairies shot a couple of innocents while completely missing the bad guy is no surprise to me. IN FACT depending on where you look you can see "official statistics" that put the hit rate in officer involved shootings between 16% and (the highest I have ever seen: ) 42% of shots fired.
     
  6. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    If I were mayor or police commisioner, with regard to LEO's weapons qualifications, it would be as follows. Two phases, accuracy on standard targets, timed relatively slow fire. Then pop ups , or multiple turning targets, with friendlies and hostiles timed rapid fire with reloads required.
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    Testing annual minimum with 85% pass fail grade minimum. Dept pays for ammo. Shot on paid time.
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    Failure to qualify, treated as follows: Rides a desk until Quals passed. Buys requal ammo from dept at dept bulk rate cost. Shoots qual on own time at no pay. Must attempt weekly minimum. No requal in 3 months, fired!
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    Any one who has failed a qual, must requal 6 months after passing requal, vice annually. This qual is on paid time and dept pays for ammo. If he or she passes that qual, they go back on the annual schedule.
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    If officer on 6 month schedulling fails requal, all the negative actions from above apply, except after passing, and starting the requal schedule, their qual now is only good for 3 months.
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    All Officers encouraged to practice often. Ammo may be bought at cost from dept or any other safe load will be allowed for practice only. Any officer shooting dept ammo may declare in advance of shooting whether due for requal or not a round of qual fire as for official score for qualification. All official qual fire, video taped along with being witnessed. Passing a declared "qual fire" is submitted and restarts the qual schedule. Ammo cost will be paid for by the dept if previous qual was 6 months or longer before.
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    If the officer fails a self declared official "qual fire", and fails, it is treated as any other qual failure.
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    Citizen bystander collateral damage is unacceptable, and will not be ignored or treated lightly. Just My Not so Humble Opinion !!! . [beat]
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    In a former life I was required to teach small arms safety and marksmanship, use of force and deadly force, including with regard to nuke weapons security. I had to regularly qualify and maintain records on 350 to 600 personnel.
     
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  7. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Agree with you Tac. They also need to have an annual physical qualification test and if not passed desk duty until passed for officer and public safety reasons, or fired if not.
     
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  8. Alpha Dog

    Alpha Dog survival of the breed

    We qualify twice a year day and night and I make a little ammo avalible to Deputies who just want to burn some round once or twice a month. I shoot about twice a week around 100 to 200 hundred rounds out of my own pocket not counting what the Sheriff's Dept gives us. Then at qualifying to make it interesting the best target gets a hundred dollars, and our Dept requires an 80%. But you are right I know officers who has no idea how to shoot their gun, clear a jam, which they don 't work for us.
     
  9. fedorthedog

    fedorthedog Monkey++

    Statistically we the police hit the suspect like one out of three rounds which is a much better average than in combat. Dont bad mouth their shooting until you fire at a moving target that is armed under a little stress. Heck think about what happens when A guy gets buck fever and they don't shoot back.

    The bad part of this was not the shooting but the decision to shoot.
     
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  10. Opinionated

    Opinionated Monkey+

    I am going to assume based on the part of your reply I didn't include above that you are a law enforcement officer.

    As such, reading your reply what popped into my head *instantly* was "policy?"

    I realize engagement policy varies from state to state and often region to region. But I can't help but wonder if there is really any policy that says:

    "If you have identified yourself, the suspect flees, presents a weapon and appears to present a threat to you or the public, DO NOT shoot them down to the ground as fast as you possibly can"?


    Could that really be?
     
  11. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    True, HOWEVER, combat is NOT the LEOs Job, and comparing Weapons Fire from either of these two situations is, Apples and Oranges..... If an LEO draws his weapon and fires it he should have a better than 50/50 chance of hitting what he is shooting at, or he should NOT have fired in the first place. It really is, a simple as that. In combat, mostly you are trying to cause the OPForce to duck, and cover, so that your side can Maneuver to to get close enough to make the kill, or bypass the target. That is a totally different senerio than why a LEO is ARMed, and would need to use his weapon. The goal of a LEO is to Apprehend the BAD Guy, and ARREST HIM, so that he can stand before a Judge and a JURY of his Peers, and be tried for his actions, PERIOD. Now should the LEO actually Kill the Bad Guy, while apprehending Him, then he gets a very BAD Reputation, and has to justify his shooting, to his superiors. So the two, are very different instances, with very different outcomes, and very different Rules of Engagement..... Apples and Oranges....
    ...... YMMV.....
     
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