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Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by ozarkgoatman, Mar 15, 2009.

  1. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

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  2. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Now you have hit on one of my favorite topics. Monsanto and the likes have essentially destroyed the American farm with their corporate take-overs. My children, although grown, do not know what a peach or strawberry is supposed to taste like. Giant berries that produce many times the volume for the allocated space have sacraficed taste and sugar content to appease the corporate farmer. Its the same with grains and other produce. They have created a monopoly on one of life's essentials with the help of our government. I spoke of a revolution caused by this nearly 40 years ago amd still see it coming. I can't even buy a glass of real butter-milk (Cracker Barrel used to sell "Golden-Flake"). The FDA needs to be destroyed. Our only real shot at recovery is to rebuild without the corporate giants. I will trade rabbits for milk and eggs. God gave us these things and Monsanto has genetically altered and controlled them to support the masses (read "profit").
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  3. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member


    I will never stop supporting the local farmers, nor the locally owned grocer that still sells local farmer's wares.

    Thanks for the info, OGM! I'm busy trying to keep those I know informed. :)
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    So when do we get to the point of declaring law x "patently ridiculous and therefore denied".Form our own heirloom seed vaults with armed guards, and dare any company inpector to cross the county line? Read somewhere they've patented genes and if seed falls from a rail car and gets mixed with an indigenous plant or crop the companies have been siezing control of farmers land...
  5. jim2

    jim2 Monkey+++

    I sent this along to others. This is a pretty sorry bunch, and I wish the 53% of fools in this country would have to eat their corporate crap and the rest of us do as we like. Sorry %$#@#%%&!jim
  6. Cephus

    Cephus Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I'm pretty sure that won't fly around here ,not enough Officers that ain't related somebody on this path they call a road to enforce it .
  7. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial]Rachel's Democracy & Health News #836 [Printer-friendly version]
    January 5, 2006


    [FONT=Arial Narrow,Verdana][FONT=Verdana, Arial][Rachel's introduction: Many people around the world resist eating
    genetically modified foods (GMOs), and they still have a choice. But
    pollen carried on the wind is slowly contaminating much of the
    world's cropland with GMOs. One of these days, there won't much left
    to call "organically grown" or non-GMO crops. Then most of us will be
    eating food grown from seeds patented by Monsanto and Dow.]

    By Peter Montague

    Felix Ballarin spent 15 years of his life developing a special
    organically-grown variety of red corn. It would bring a high price on
    the market because local chicken farmers said the red color lent a
    rosy hue to the meat and eggs from their corn-fed chickens. But when
    the corn emerged from the ground last year, yellow kernels were mixed
    with the red. Government officials later confirmed with DNA tests that
    Mr. Ballarin's crop had become contaminated with a genetically
    modified (GMO) strain of corn.

    Because Mr. Ballarin's crop was genetically contaminated, it no longer
    qualified as "organically grown," so it no longer brought a premium
    price. Mr. Ballarin's 15-year investment was destroyed overnight by
    what is now commonly known as "genetic contamination." This is a new
    phenomenon, less then 10 years old -- but destined to be a permanent
    part of the brave new world that is being cobbled together as we speak
    by a handful of corporations whose goal is global domination of food.

    Mr. Ballarin lives in Spain, but the story is the same all over the
    world: genetically modified crops are invading fields close by (and
    some that are not so close by), contaminating both the organic food
    industry and the "conventional" (non-GMO and non-organic) food

    As a result of genetically contamination of non-GMO crops in Europe,
    the U.S., Mexico, Australia and South America, the biotech food
    industry had an upbeat year in 2005 and things are definitely looking
    good for the future. As genetically modified pollen from their crops
    blows around, contaminating nearby fields, objections to genetically
    modified crops diminish because non-GMO alternatives become harder and
    harder to find. A few more years of this and there may not be many
    truly non-GMO crops left anywhere. At that point there won't be any
    debate about whether to allow GMO-crops to be grown here or there --
    no one will have any choice. Most of the crops in the world will be
    genetically modified (except perhaps for a few grown in greenhouses on
    a tiny scale). At that point, GMO will have contaminated essentially
    the entire planet, and the companies that own the patents on the GMO
    seeds will be sitting in the catbird seat.

    It is now widely acknowledged that GMO crops are a "leaky technology"
    -- that it to say, genetically modified pollen is spread naturally on
    the wind, by insects, and by humans. No one except perhaps some
    officials of the U.S. Department of Agriculture were actually
    surprised to learn this. GMO proponents have insisted for a decade
    that genetic contamination could never happen (wink, wink) and U.S.
    Department of Agriculture officials want along with the gag. And so of
    course GMO crops are now spreading everywhere by natural means, just
    as you would expect.

    It couldn't have turned out better for the GMO crop companies if they
    had planned it this way.

    Growers of organically-grown and conventional crops are naturally
    concerned that genetic contamination is hurting acceptance of their
    products. Three California counties have banned GM crops. Anheuser-
    Busch Co., the beer giant, has demanded that its home state (Missouri)
    keep GMO rice fields 120 miles away from rice it buys to make beer.
    The European Union is now trying to establish buffer zones meant to
    halt the unwanted spread of GM crops. However, the Wall Street
    Journal reported November 8
    that, "Such moves to restrict the spread
    of GM crops often are ineffective. Last month in Australia, government
    experts discovered biotech canola genes in two non-GM varieties
    despite a ban covering half the country. 'Regretfully, the GM
    companies appear unable to contain their product," said Kim Chance,
    agriculture minister for the state of Western Australia, on the
    agency's Web site.

    For some, this seems to come as a shocking revelation -- genetically
    modified pollen released into the natural environment spreads long
    distances on the wind. Who would have thought? Actually, almost anyone
    could have figured this out. Dust from wind storms in China
    contaminates the air in the U.S. Smoke from fires in Indonesia can be
    measured in the air half-way around the world. Pollen is measurable in
    the deep ice of antarctica. No one should ever have harbored any doubt
    that genetically modified pollen would spread everywhere on the Earth
    sooner or later. (We are now exactly 10 years into the global
    experiment with GMO seeds. The first crops were planted in open fields
    in the U.S. in 1995. From this meager beginning, global genetic
    contamination is now well along.)

    Who benefits from all this? Think of it this way: when most crops on
    earth are genetically contaminated, then the seed companies that own
    the patented seeds will be in a good position to begin enforcing their
    patent rights. They have already taken a test case to court and won.
    In 2004, Monsanto (the St. Louis, Mo. chemical giant) won a seven-year
    court battle against a 73-year-old Saskatchewan farmer whose canola
    fields had been contaminated by Monsanto's genetically modified
    plants. The Supreme Court of Canada court ruled that the farmer -- a
    fellow named Percy Schmeiser -- no longer owns his crops. Monsanto now
    owns his crops because Monsanto's patented genes made their way into
    his fields.

    Armed with this legal precedent, after genetically modified crops have
    drifted far and wide, Monsanto, Dow and the other GMO seed producers
    will be in a position to muscle most of the world's farmers. It is for
    cases exactly like this that the U.S. has spent 30 years creating the
    WTO (world trade organization) -- to settle disputes over
    "intellectual property rights" (such as patents) in secret tribunals
    held in Geneva, Switzerland behind closed doors without any impartial
    observers allowed to attend. Even the results of WTO tribunals are
    secret, unless the parties involved choose to reveal them. Let me see
    -- a dirt farmer from India versus Monsanto and Dow backed by the U.S.
    State Department and the U.S. Treasury (with the shadow of the
    Pentagon always in the background). I'm struggling to predict who
    might win such a politico-legal dispute conducted by a secret tribunal
    in Geneva, Switzerland.

    During 2005, it was discovered that GMO crops have not lived up to
    their initial promise
    of huge profits for farmers and huge benefits
    for consumers. It was also discovered that the U.S. Department of
    Agriculture has not enforced its own strict regulations that were
    intended to prevent experimental GMO seeds from accidentally
    contaminating nearby fields. GMO crops were supposed to produce
    important human health benefits -- and then be developed under super-
    strict government control -- but all these promises have turned out to
    be just so much eye wash.. GMOs were supposed to reduce reliance on
    dangerous pesticides -- but in fact they have had the opposite effect.
    Monsanto's first GMO crops were designed to withstand drenching in
    Monsanto's most profitable product, the weed killer Round-Up -- so
    farmers who buy Monsanto's patented "Round-up ready" seeds apply more,
    not less, weed killer.

    But so what? Who cares if GMO seeds don't provide any of the benefits
    that were promised? Certainly not the seed companies. Perhaps benefits
    to the people of the world were never the point. Perhaps the point was
    to get those first GMO crops in the ground -- promise them the moon!
    -- and then allow nature to take its course and contaminate the rest
    of the planet with patented pollen. The intellectual property lawsuits
    will come along in good time. Patience, dear reader, patience. Unlike
    people, corporations cannot die, so our children or our grandchildren
    may find themselves held in thrall by two or three corporations that
    have seized legal control of much of the world's food supply by
    getting courts (backed by the threat of force, as all courts
    ultimately are) to enforce their intellectual property rights.

    The Danish government has passed a law intended to slow the pace of
    genetic contamination. The Danes will compensate farmers whose fields
    have become contaminated, then the Danish government will seek
    recompense from the farmer whose field originated the genetic
    contamination, assuming the culprit can be pinpointed. This may slow
    the spread of genetic contamination, but the law is clearly not
    designed to end the problem.

    Yes, it has been a good year for the GMO industry. None of the stated
    benefits of their products have materialized -- and the U.S.
    government regulatory system has been revealed as a sham -- but
    enormous benefits to the few GMO corporations are right on track to
    begin blossoming. For Monsanto, Dow and Novartis, a decent shot at
    gaining control over much of the world's food supply is now blowing on
    the wind and there's no turning back. As the Vice-President of plant
    genetics for Dow Agrosciences said recently, "There will be come
    continuing bumps in the road, but we are starting to see a balance of
    very good news and growth. The genie is way out of the bottle."

  8. ozarkgoatman

    ozarkgoatman Resident goat herder

    We are way past that point sir. [gun]

  9. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    So, there we are....
    The bees are dying as I understand it, due solely to the GMO seeds being treated with built-in pesticides....
    Those that don't die, spread the pesticides to their hives....
    Then there's nature, the wind born pollens from all over the world!
    Not good!
  10. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Second that, lets go!!!
  11. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

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  12. azrancher

    azrancher Monkey +++

    I buy at our local Farmers Market, every booth that was selling meat.... I asked did you butcher you own meat (Emu, Yak, Goat, Beef), they all say oh no we take it to the University of Arizona so it can be verified as safe.

    So is it really a Farmers Market, or am I buying $8.00/lb beef out in the open.

    And oh by the way I enjoy the vegetable guys that have the boxes from the distributor in their trucks...
    Yeah Farmers.

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  13. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    We have a local shrimp market down in Delcambre La. Strait off the boat's, 16/20's 3.50 per pound, 21/25's 3.00 per lb.
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  14. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Barter nation down here, Nothing is not considered.
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