Bye Bye First ammendment...

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by melbo, Jan 19, 2007.

  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    This is getting scary. The only time you have to forcibly shut someone up is when they are starting to get too close to the truth. Seeing what you are really up too and talking about it.

    This country is going to either reach a bpoiling point soon or whither into nothing. BTW, this bill would also apply to us here at the monkey

    [FONT=Verdana,Arial]Bloggers Who Criticize Government May Face Prison
    Bill would allow rounding up and imprisoning of non-registered political writers

    Steve Watson
    Thursday, January 18, 2007

    [​IMG]You'd be forgiven for thinking that it was some new restriction on free speech in Communist China. But it isn't. The U.S. Government wants to force bloggers and online grassroots activists to register and regularly report their activities to Congress in the latest astounding attack on the internet and the First Amendment.

    Richard A. Viguerie, Chairman of, a website dedicated to fighting efforts to silence grassroots movements, states:

    "Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill currently before the Senate, would require grassroots causes, even bloggers, who communicate to 500 or more members of the public on policy matters, to register and report quarterly to Congress the same as the big K Street lobbyists. Section 220 would amend existing lobbying reporting law by creating the most expansive intrusion on First Amendment rights ever. For the first time in history, critics of Congress will need to register and report with Congress itself."

    In other words Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats may redefine the meaning of lobbying in order that political communications to and even between citizens falls under the same legislation.

    Under current law any 'lobbyist" who 'knowingly and willingly fails to file or report." quarterly to the government faces criminal charges including a possible jail term of up to one year.

    The amendment is currently on hold.

    This latest attack on bloggers comes hot on the heels of Republican Senator John McCain's proposal to introduce legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards.

    [​IMG]McCain's proposal is presented under the banner of saving children from sexual predators and encourages informants to shop website owners to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who then pass the information on to the relevant police authorities.

    Despite a total lack of any evidence that children are being victimized en mass by bloggers or people who leave comments on blog sites, it seems likely that the proposal will become legislation in some form. It is well known that McCain has a distaste for his blogosphere critics, causing a definite conflict of interest where any proposal to restrict blogs on his part is concerned.

    In recent months, a chorus of propaganda intended to demonize the Internet and further lead it down a path of strict control has spewed forth from numerous establishment organs:

    During an appearance with his wife Barbara on Fox News last November, George Bush senior slammed Internet bloggers for creating an "adversarial and ugly climate."

    - The White House's own recently de-classified strategy for "winning the war on terror" targets Internet conspiracy theories as a recruiting ground for terrorists and threatens to "diminish" their influence.

    - The Pentagon recently announced its effort to infiltrate the Internet and propagandize for the war on terror.

    - In a speech last month, Homeland Security director Michael Chertoff identified the web as a "terror training camp," through which "disaffected people living in the United States" are developing "radical ideologies and potentially violent skills." Chertoff pledged to dispatch Homeland Security agents to local police departments in order to aid in the apprehension of domestic terrorists who use the Internet as a political tool.

    - A landmark legal case on behalf of the Recording Industry Association of America and other global trade organizations seeks to criminalize all Internet file sharing of any kind as copyright infringement, effectively shutting down the world wide web - and their argument is supported by the U.S. government.

    - A landmark legal ruling in Sydney goes further than ever before in setting the trap door for the destruction of the Internet as we know it and the end of alternative news websites and blogs by creating the precedent that simply linking to other websites is breach of copyright and piracy.

    - The European Union, led by former Stalinist and potential future British Prime Minister John Reid, has also vowed to shut down "terrorists" who use the Internet to spread propaganda.

    - The EU also recently proposed legislation that would prevent users from uploading any form of video without a license.

    - We have also previously exposed how moves are afoot to clamp down on internet neutrality and even to designate a highly restricted new form of the internet known as Internet 2.

    Make no mistake, the internet, one of the greatest outposts of free speech ever created is under constant attack by powerful people who cannot operate within a society where information flows freely and unhindered. All these moves mimic stories we hear every week out of State Controlled Communist China, where the internet is strictly regulated and virtually exists as its own entity away from the rest of the web.

    The phrases "Chinese government" and "Mao Zedong" have even been censored on China's official Web sites because they are "Sensitive phrases". Are we to allow our supposedly Democratic governments to implement the same type of restrictive policies here?

    Under section 220 of the lobbying reform bill, could be required to seek a license in order to bring this information to you. IF we were granted a license we would then have to report our activities to the government four times per year in order to bring you this information. Does that sound more like free speech or more like totalitarianism?


    Take action:

    As well as calling the Senate you should go to which has a petition that you can sign against Section 220 of S. 1, the lobbying reform bill.

    Paul Joseph Watson contributed to this report.
  2. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    'Tis scary stuff. Seems the dems have always liked to try to control information even more than republicans, at least in my memory. Remember the "Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting" thingy meant to take out Rush Limbaugh? Not sayin the reps are good mind you, I hate those pieces of crap too.

    Seacowboys hit this the other day.
  3. TailorMadeHell

    TailorMadeHell Lurking Shadow Creature

    Okay, here is something weird. Let's take Republicans. They are passing laws that are against the Constitution, they are trying to monitor information and they are trying to give each person a number instead of a name. The Democrats are doing the same thing. Seems to me that there are too many common factors for it to be a coincidence. Seems to me that if we do the backtracking, there will be a common person that is making a move to control both parties. Who can that be? Anyone else see this?
  4. GaryBrun

    GaryBrun Monkey+++

    The law targets those bloggers that have $25,000 a quarter passing though their hands I think. 100 K a year is a a lobbyist
  5. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

  6. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    Yes Tailor.... they are all puppets for the same master.

    Both presidential candidates last time (GWB and Kerrry) are members of Skull and Bones, an organization that favors societal model with a ruling class, and has made advancements in implementing it, yet nobody seems to think it's relevant and gets no air time. It's beyond me.

    The entire election process is smoke and mirrors.
  7. Clyde

    Clyde Jet Set Tourer Administrator Founding Member

    Another brillianct McCain law.....McCain Feingold was bad enough...........when will we initiate the unintended consequences resolution on these .govers!
  8. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    January 19, 2007

    Bennett Amendment Passes Senate

    Last night, the U.S. Senate approved the Bennett amendment by a vote
    of 55-43. American citizens will remain free to organize and contact
    their congressional representatives without being forced to comply
    with federal regulation and oversight.

    ... here:
  9. Blackjack

    Blackjack Monkey+++

    Hey cool, we win one..................... we do don't we?
  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Far as I can tell; but "they" probably just got something better waiting...( I was surprised to read this).
  11. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    What this is all doing is creating a mass of smoke and mirrors to allow communications monopolies to sell you their little piece of the information super-highway only it will become a toll-road with numerous hoops to jump through and fees to pay as you progress. Sites that pay shopping premiums will be freely accessed and pop up first on search engines. They have already converted the information super-highway into the information super-market. Just don't loose sight, while wading through the ads looking for data, that you can just buy it on ebay.
  12. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I once read a far sighted article that said:

    "once the net is everywhere in the third world ( cell towers?) and computers or other devices to access it were the size of a small paperback and 3 or $4 we would see an explosion of progress in the human society at large...course that would depend on the net being free...
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