This is hilarious... First of all, someone needs to learn the difference between "isolationism" and "non-interventionism"...and it is the interventionism that is well on it's way to destroying the nation. As far as him advocating a "high level of immorality", I have no clue what you might be thinking of. My main argument with Dr Paul is his strong focus on christian "morality"...the one saving factor that keeps me supporting him is that he, at least, recognizes that the federal government has no business trying to force that "morality" on others through legislation. Possibly that is your objection? Are you one of those who would institute the christian equivalent of the sharia on a nation founded on a principle of government non-intervention in personal religious beliefs? This is a nation for all belief systems...not exclusively the province of christians... I don't HOPE for TEOTWAWKI...but I do recognize that the path we are on will lead there...and, unfortunately, it is unlikely that the spoiled people will do what it will take to prevent it...mostly for the same reasons that you will not.
Hilarity aside, I'll be more than happy to debate whatever topic you desire. Someone might need to learn the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism, but that someone is not me. I'm pretty sure that I know the difference. As an active duty Marine, I will readily concede that I have no idea why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan. Actually, I do have some ideas, but they don't mesh to well with the party line. When I write that Dr. Paul advocates for a high level of immorality, I refer to his apathy towards everything one might do. While I disagree with federal involvement with myriad issues, I am not apathetic about what others do. Ridicule all you desire, when you want to debate on the merits, I'll have you eat your hat.
Ooooohh...will we have judges and everything? Sorry son, but I gave up intellectual masturbation some decades before giving up the physical kind...which was probably prior to your birth. Stay safe...
I would respond better if I could discern what you meant by that. I'm not really sure what you mean, but interlocution is not intellectual masturbation. Debate is a good thing unless done simply as a means unto itself. By the way, I'm older than I look. It's just that I'm exceptionally handsome, so most people think that I'm younger than I really am. I probably couldn't be your son unless you began fornicating at a really young age. I'm pretty safe, I'm with the wing.
Long ties to Koch brothers key to Cain's campaign By RYAN J. FOLEY - Associated Press | AP – 6 hrs ago tweet240 Share26 Email Print Related Content FILE - Republican businessman Herman Cain speaks during a dinner sponsored by Americans … U.S. slideshows Top 10 photo moments from Clinton concert 10 photos - 7 hrs ago IndyCar driver Dan Wheldon 11 photos - 7 hrs ago A Decade of Difference concert 132 photos - 21 hrs ago See latest photos » IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain has cast himself as the outsider, the pizza magnate with real-world experience who will bring fresh ideas to the nation's capital. But Cain's economic ideas, support and organization have close ties to two billionaire brothers who bankroll right-leaning causes through their group Americans for Prosperity. Cain's campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the nation's tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans. The once little-known businessman's political activities are getting fresh scrutiny these days since he soared to the top of some national polls. His links to the Koch brothers could undercut his outsider, non-political image among people who detest politics as usual and candidates connected with the party machine. AFP tapped Cain as the public face of its "Prosperity Expansion Project," and he traveled the country in 2005 and 2006 speaking to activists who were starting state-based AFP chapters from Wisconsin to Virginia. Through his AFP work he met Mark Block, a longtime Wisconsin Republican operative hired to lead that state's AFP chapter in 2005 as he rebounded from an earlier campaign scandal that derailed his career. Block and Cain sometimes traveled together as they built up AFP: Cain was the charismatic speaker preaching the ills of big government; Block was the operative helping with nuts and bolts. When President Barack Obama's election helped spawn the tea party, Cain was positioned to take advantage. He became a draw at growing AFP-backed rallies, impressing activists with a mix of humor and hard-hitting rhetoric against Obama's stimulus, health care and budget policies. Block is now Cain's campaign manager. Other aides who had done AFP work were also brought on board. Cain's spokeswoman Ellen Carmichael, who recently left the campaign, was an AFP coordinator in Louisiana. His campaign's outside law firm is representing AFP in a case challenging Wisconsin campaign finance regulations. At least six other current and former paid employees and consultants for Cain's campaign have worked for AFP in various capacities. And Cain has credited Rich Lowrie, a Cleveland businessman who served on AFP's board of advisors from 2005 to 2008, with being a key economic adviser and with helping to develop his plan to cut the corporate tax rate to 9 percent, impose a national sales tax of 9 percent and set a flat income tax rate of 9 percent "He's got a national network now that perhaps he wouldn't have had 15 or 20 years ago because of his work with AFP," said Republican Party of Wisconsin Vice Chair Brian Schimming, who has introduced Cain at events in Wisconsin. "For a presidential candidate, that's obviously helpful to have." He said Cain was smart to hire Block. Cain's recent victories in straw polls in Florida and Minnesota highlight the importance of organizing supporters and Block, who has a deep network in the tea party, "gets that side of it," Schimming said. But Block has had his problems as well. He settled a suit in 2001 accusing him of illegally coordinating a Wisconsin Supreme Court justice's re-election with an outside group. Block agreed to pay $15,000 and sit out of politics for three years. While Cain is quick to promote his career at the helm of the Godfather's Pizza chain, his ties to AFP aren't something the candidate appears eager to highlight. Cain does not include his AFP work on his biography on his website, but spokesman J.D. Gordon said Sunday that Cain was "proud of his business record" and his association with the group. "He has made a lot of important connections through AFP," Gordon said, pointing to Block and Lowrie, among others. And Cain continues to work with the group. While several other candidates will be at an Iowa Republican Party dinner on Nov. 4, Cain is scheduled to be in Washington mingling with activists at AFP's annual "Defending the American Dream" summit. He is the only confirmed presidential candidate for the event. AFP spokesman Levi Russell said Cain has spoken at dozens of AFP rallies and events over the years to support a number of the group's activities. AFP has often covered his travel expenses or paid a "pretty modest honorarium" but he has not been paid since becoming a presidential candidate, he said. "He's a dynamic, pro-business speaker that connects well with our activists," Russell said. "AFP is a very large organization, and there is a natural overlap between Cain's message of fiscal responsibility and the basic principles that AFP advocates for." A spokeswoman for the Koch brothers did not respond to The Associated Press's request for comment on Cain. To some liberals, Cain's rise with the help of AFP shows the incredible influence that outside groups controlled by super-wealthy individuals with specific agendas can have on the political process. "Herman Cain is the first presidential corporate spokes-candidate," said Scot Ross, a liberal activist who leads One Wisconsin Now, which has often mocked AFP as a front group for corporate interests. "The best way to have your issues talked about in the issue debate is to have a candidate in your pocket with snappy comebacks and easily branded policy papers which mask how destructive they would be." AFP's agenda also includes weakening private and public sector unions, opposing environmental regulations and undoing Obama's health care reform law, among other policies. But before the tea party and Obama, Cain worked with AFP on more local issues. In 2006, he campaigned all over Wisconsin in support of a proposed constitutional amendment that would have limited state government spending. A slew of officials and analysts said the plan would have ultimately devastated government services, and the Republican-controlled Legislature eventually backed off it. In a statement announcing Cain's tour, AFP sent out a press release touting his "in-depth understanding of the battle to control out-of-control government taxes and spending." Block promised that Cain was a speaker that activists would not want to miss.
I do not know who I will vote for yet but I sure as hell know who I vote against. No not because he is black, not because I think he is not a citizen of this once great republic; his mother was a citizen, and not because I question his religion. I will not vote for BO because I think his policies are wrong for the country. I can see people of different political parties having "heated discussions" but when his cronies were in power HE won the election. Now that they do not have absolute power by the number he and they think there should be compromise, BS. Having said this I do believe that the WHOLE government body, NOT THE SYSTEM, needs to be changed. There are too many buddies and good ole boys with too much power in office now. I could keep going but I have been too long winded now.
The system created the governmental body you, and many like minded folks, rail against. That is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. The system is no longer what out founding fathers instated, and has not been that way, for almost a century.
OK maybe I used the wrong verbiage. What I mean is the people need to be changed not the form of government. I have never been a huge fan of term limits, but, it is becoming increasingly clear that the same politicians are being elected time after time and the longer they are in office the more power they amass. That is why we have the likes of Harry Reid and his ilk and John Boehner(sp) and his spinless, we must find compromise, buddies. Set the limits to X amount of years and Y amount of terms and after that you return to society and CONTRIBUTE, not suck the teat. No special health care, no special retirement plan.
Might have been wrong about Mr Cain. Not sure i can vote for someone who has this stance. Cain suggests abortion should be up to families - Political Hotsheet - CBS News Jason
S**t..looks like I'm back to voting for what I perceive as the lesser of two evils.Thought I really had a choice this time.
I agree with him on this one. I don't believe in abortion...but I also think it's none of the government's business.
Murder is murder weather your 10 weeks old, 10 years old or 100 years old. This isn't a government issue in my eyes. This is a Moral issue. If he is saying that it's fine for my neighbor to decided this way then his morals are not up to a standard i can vote for. Personally I like Santorum. I have meet him in person when he was a senator. I think he has less of a change than uncle Paul though and that's the reason i liked Cain. Now after this i cannot vote for him. I have made up my mind, I'll vote for who is best for this country and if they don't win bring on the SHTF, afterwards we will sort the rest out. Jason
