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California gov vetoes semi-automatic rifle ban.....Yes Vetoes..

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by stg58, Oct 11, 2013.

  1. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+ Founding Member

    This is simply astounding that gov "Moonbeam" or and democrat applied some level of logic to a gun ban.

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed a bill Friday that would have imposed the nation's toughest restrictions on gun ownership, saying it was too far-reaching.

    The legislation would have banned future sales of most semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines, part of a firearms package approved by state lawmakers in response to mass shootings in other states.

    It was lawmakers' latest attempt to close loopholes that have allowed manufacturers to work around previous assault weapon bans. Gun rights groups had threatened to sue if the semi-automatic weapons ban became law.

    "I don't believe that this bill's blanket ban on semi-automatic rifles would reduce criminal activity or enhance public safety enough to warrant this infringement on gun owners' rights," the Democratic governor wrote in his veto message.

    He also noted that California already has some of the nation's strictest gun and ammunition laws.

    The legislation was among 17 gun bills considered by the governor as he works toward a Sunday deadline to act on bills sent to his desk last month. He signed 10 firearms bills into law while vetoing seven.

    Democratic Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg, who proposed the rifle restrictions, said in a statement that more than 1,100 Californians have been killed with guns since the mass school shooting in Newtown, Conn., in December.

    "I believe aggressive action is precisely what's needed to reduce the carnage in our communities, and to counter the equally aggressive action by the gun industry," Steinberg said.

    The bill sought to ban the sale of assault rifles, but Brown objected that it also would have applied to low-capacity weapons commonly used for hunting, firearms training and target shooting, and some historical and collectible firearms. Brown also didn't want thousands of legal gun owners to have to register their existing weapons as assault rifles and be blocked from selling or transferring the weapons.

    "That was, without a doubt, the most egregious piece of anti-gun legislation ever brought to a governor for his signature," said Clint Montfort, an attorney with Michel and Associates, West Coast counsel for the National Rifle Association.

    "We appreciate that the governor has respected the rights of California gun owners."

    Montfort said the NRA is examining the bills that Brown did sign into law to see if any merit legal challenges.

    The governor signed a measure from Assemblywoman Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley, which bans kits that allow people to turn regular ammunition magazines into high-capacity magazines, as well as two other pieces of legislation that restrict the ability of mentally ill people to possess firearms.

    Brown approved a measure making California the first state to impose a statewide ban on lead bullets for all types of hunting. Hunting with lead bullets already is prohibited in eight counties with endangered California condors. About two dozen states also have partial bans, most in sensitive wildlife refuges.

    Nick Wilcox, whose daughter was killed by a gunman during a 2001 Nevada County rampage, said he was hopeful Brown would have approved more.

    "It's a step forward. It's not as big a step forward as we would have liked," Wilcox said on behalf of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Gun owners' rights groups have said they also could consider mounting recall campaigns or election-year challenges against Democratic lawmakers who voted for the gun bills. Final votes on the legislation occurred last month, just as two Colorado state lawmakers were recalled for supporting tougher gun laws in that state.

    BLKFJDC Monkey

    Thank the big man upstairs. Although my wife & I were prepared to be felon's until we could find new jobs in Western Washington....
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  3. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I am thinking something else is going on when Moonbeam is worried about gun owners rights, what's really up???
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  4. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    Maybe his astrologist told him he needed to be pro-gun. [werd]
  5. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I was thinking more along the lines of he decided to use his medical marijuana privileges before he was suppose to sign.
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  6. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    I'm guessing bullet purchaces went through the roof.....
  7. BTPost

    BTPost Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    I believe he saw that if he signed the Assault Weapons Ban, it would have been immediately challenged in Federal Court. With Heller & McDonald being the Law of the Land, there was a good chance that it would have been declared UnConstitutional, somewhere along the Federal Court Proceedings, while costing the State Millions to defend. It was really just saving the State a lot of time and Money.
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  8. Legion489

    Legion489 Shining the Light of Truth

    Loop holes, WHAT "loop holes"?! Oh, you mean COMPLYING with the law to make guns Kommie-fornia legal? Why didn't you say so? Let's see, how many people have been killed in cars in other states the last few years? How many people are killed in cars in Kommie-fornia EACH MONTH?! Why aren't these scum concerned about THOSE people being killed?!
  9. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Oregon-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    I've been told Guv Moonbean has a substantial gun collection himself.


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  10. Legion489

    Legion489 Shining the Light of Truth

    Well Sarah Brady and the national vegetable Jim Brady are BIG class three collectors too. Of course the guns (just like Chuckie Heston's huge class three collection) are/were in corps so they were not in their names so they could claim THEY don't own any! Just because the lords and masters own something doesn't mean they want the sheeple to own it.
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  11. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    I do not doubt for a second that those hammerheads have corporations to hold things dear to them. Sure would like to see a document supporting the claim, would be fun to spread it around.
  12. AmericanRedoubt1776

    AmericanRedoubt1776 American Redoubt: Idaho-Montana-Oregon-Wyoming Site Supporter+

    I just saw some updates on the up-for-vote People's Republik of Kalifornia "Ammo Purchase Licensing and Tracking" bill and read this NIGHTMARISH Police-State/Nanny-State implication posted by huntercf Calguns.net Veteran Member, who read the actual text of the proposed law and its clear intent:

    "So basically this eliminates a lot of shooting sports and protections. You can no longer take your children shooting because they have to buy their own ammo and they can't do that until they are 18 or 21. If someone breaks into your home and only you bought ammo your wife and children must submit to the perps: WAY TO GO LOS ANGELES LAWMAKER DE LEON, ENABLER OF MURDERERS, RAPISTS, CHILD MOLESTERS, HOME INVASIONERS, BURGLARS, AND THE LIKE! It also looks like you can't go shooting with friends and family and share firearms unless they bring their own ammo AND mags AND loaders. Can we sue class action style once this goes into effect; especially those of us with children younger than 21 and spouses? This seems to be a clear cut violation of the 2A. Except this is the P.R.K. and they don't honor the COTUS." Fair Use Source: 2013 CA SB 53 - Deleon/Yee Ammunition purchase permits - Page 19 - Calguns.net

    2014 session CALIFORNIA BILLS INDEX Thread - Calguns.net this is the list of gun grabbing laws the leftists are trying to push through this year in the People's Republik of Kaliforniastan. Just finished calling the list of numbers in my previous post to oppose. Fire Mission! AB 1014 - Gun Violence Restraining Orders- - Calguns.net

    To slightly modify to apply to Kalifornia the quote from Thomas Jefferson's statement in the Declaration of Independence: "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object" (a socialist Nanny State - Police State) "evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such" People's Republik of Kalifornia socialist "government, and to provide new guards for their future security. -- Such has been the patient sufferance of" Californians; "and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government."

    Our family is so glad to have the survival retreat land of the American Redoubt (The American Redoubt — Move to the Mountain States - SurvivalBlog.com) "free state" region of Idaho-Montana to quickly escape to ("Vote with your feet - The TSP Survival Wiki") when Kalifornia become utterly unbearable (when Kalifornia's socialist "evils are no longer sufferable").

    Unfortunately Nanny Statist - Police Statists of the People's Republik of California senate, assembly and Governor Jerry Moon Beam Brown don't see it that way --- each year they pass yet another restrictive gun-grabbing law such as the ammo ban (license-purchase registry - internet ammo purchase restriction): 2013 CA SB 53 - Deleon/Yee Ammunition purchase permits - Page 13 - Calguns.net and several others.

    " It’s even now predictable, that California state senators like Kevin de León are pushing, unconstitutional ammunition and gun owner registration mandates such as Senate Bill 53. No matter that his last ammunition registration scheme, AB 962, was struck down as unconstitutionally vague, by a California court. SB 53 is also co-authored by none other than indicted Senator Leland Yee. The man who was arrested by the FBI, and who is currently on trial for, corruption, as well as conspiracy to import and traffic in illegal firearms. No small deal. As well as it is, a revelation of total hypocrisy, among those who tout “firearm safety.” "
    SB 53: California Legislators Have No Shame | Gunalizer
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2014
  13. -06

    -06 Monkey+++

    When our daughter moved from Arizona to the land of fruits and nuts they had to leave a few goodies with friends. Hoping they will make a permanent pilgrimage to NC soon. They make about 4 times what they were making here but then their costs are almost in line with the money made.
    ETA: 2,600 monthly for a two bedroom wee house. Here one could buy a mc mansion for that.
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