Calling all Engineers, Mechanics and Tinker's

Discussion in 'Off Grid Living' started by Ganado, May 2, 2015.


  1. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

  2. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    You can not get something for nothing. And there is ALWAYS a loss of energy, not a gain.energy is usually lost as heat, but there is never power from nothing.[BSf]
     
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  3. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    Yup. Even if there was a was to get energy unity, the frictional losses would tip the scales.
     
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  4. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    I get the same thing, I'm thinking FB WTF Over?
     
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  5. Airtime

    Airtime Monkey+++

    Yes and no. Electric motors are almost all magnetic (save electrostatic and similar oddities), it is the fundamental mechanism by which they work. No, in that those magnetic pumps simply do not have a direct coupling or connection between the motor shaft and the pump shaft. They use a magnetic coupling working across an aluminum or plastic bulkhead and that isolates the pump workings inside a sealed compartment and there is no shaft seal the fluid can get past. A concept not applicable here.

    Its good to be thinking but don't get hung up on the possibility this thing is for real. It's only realness is it's a real hoax that gets people hoping or believing in something for nothing, for real. I told you in a PM how they likely pulled it off. Keep having fun.

    AT
     
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  6. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    The only free lunch is the free lunch your Mom made for you in the first grade.
     
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  7. smithcp2002

    smithcp2002 Monkey+++

    MIT has had units like this for years. More of a disk set up than a drum. Listed as perpetual motion machines.
     
  8. Kingfish

    Kingfish Self Reliant

    I saw this type of motor displayed a few years back but was much bigger and mounted in wood. The machine turned but eventually the magnets lose power. If my memory is correct the permanant magnets will get drained of magnetism and become just little blocks of metal and the machine stops. What about a solar panel powering electromagnets running the engine? It seems there is something there worth experimentation . Im sure we have not found the answer yet.
     
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  9. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    He needs to switch over to dilithium crystals, then the puppy will work for real.
    (That was sarcasm, Bruce ;))
     
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  10. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Thanks, @Brokor I do NOT get that, sometimes.... One of my many failings....
     
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  11. Airtime

    Airtime Monkey+++

    So, we all agree there is no way this thing generates power from nothing, folks here are smarter than that. Also given the challenge the Pakistani threw down to engineers it seems all the more clear this thing is a hoax, the challenge is can you figure out how he did it. He employs many of the same theatrics a magician brandishes, showing the top and bottom, front back, left right, etc. i.e. proving there is nothing up his sleeve. Then lots of stuff gets powered, but how?

    So I pondered, how would I pull this off? Simple, hide a power line in the dirt to the base of the fan, then up inside the column to the motor and it's power cord. He "plugs" in the fan to the circuit but he may be actually connecting the power supply to everything else when he does that. Then a confederate turns the juice on and off from out of view in time with his manipulation of the cage on the rotary gizmo. Simple and effective trick. Enjoy.

    AT
     
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  12. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    If he was really tricky, He would have an AC Primary Coil buried in the dirt, under the Fan Base, and another AC Secondary Coil in the Fan Base, which would act as an AC Transformer. He could "Lift up the Fan, even a few inches to show no connection, and it would still work.... Lots of ways to couple AC Power across a Gap... and nothing difficult to build.....
     
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  13. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus

    Didn't even think of an inductive current.
     
  14. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Could also be coupled like a magnetic charger. (Magnets in the drum, driven by another drum containing magnets, below.
     
  15. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    I DO NOT AGREE.
    Energy is never actually used up - just transferred...usually to heat and then dispersed.
    We don't understand gravity, magnetism, harmonic resonance, primal fields, telluric currents, taurus fields etc etc etc....

    We know nothing John Snow.
     
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  16. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    There is a dead give-away, that this is fake. [contract]
    Any guesses, before I reveal?;)
     
  17. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    True, MG, HOWEVER, Energy does ACT like it is used up, in some cases.... This happens when Energy moves into what appears like a Hugh Energy Sink... It just Sucks Up the Energy and shows very small if anything at all, of an interaction. Like excess Heat going into the Earth Sink... It is like it disappears, although it does very slightly raise the temp of the Earth, but it may be to small to be measured. Also like light, or Mass, that gets sucked into a Black Hole, for all practical purposes, it disappears.... And can't be shown where it went, or be measured after it falls in the Gravity Well.... It is just GONE...
     
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  18. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Google "entropy"
     
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  19. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    And while you are at it, google "acceleration" if this thing spins up to speed as portrayed, it should continue accelerating until the parts fail. Since it spins up to a stable speed, and regulates itself, it is clearly faked.
     
  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Correction: one of your very FEW, but sometimes comical quirks. :)
     
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