Cameras-Everywhere Culture, Science Fiction Becomes Reality

60-80 KM actually...but you are right, long haul will be in conduits and buried. "usually".


Google Fiber

 

I agree. Prolly trenched in that plan but disagree about the data. Telco/Cableco try to piggyback in any and all conduits that are getting laid....google will buy dark fiber strands at top dollar too.

 

BTPost.... Respectfully If you don't like my posts I'm OK if you want to delete them. I cannot post pics I don't have. And I don't need to justify my position. Do your own research

I'm not sure what your argument is about switching stations or why it applies here *scratches head* but all fiber come off the poles and goes underground before it hits the switching station. Then the switch box is located on the utility owned property outside the security fence. One cable of fiber can service many many large customers like Google and other large consumers....

Large utility companies do have their own line of site microwave communications that is a dedicated secure system. However they do allow leasing of space on these towers under very specific contracts and conditions....
I don't know about railroads....

As far as remote locations... There is a big push going on with lots of federal money involved that is pushing for public Internet access in remote locations... His means fiber on power and telephone poles where it is too expensive to bury

 

Ok then.... So how long have you been away from this industry?

I'm asking cuz my involvement has been fairly recent... And I am about done getting raged at... Maybe you don't mean it that way but you are questioning my integrity in a public forum on a subject I will not get technical about and I sent you a pm to try and resolve this so you can relax.

I'm going to attribute this as you having a bad day or week even.... And as moderator I expect more from you than this.... I am not the first person you have raged at into last week...

I have great respect for you, your knowledge, your abilities and your thinking process so I don't wish to alienate you. And if this continues you will have alienated me. Please do me the courtesy of answering or at least reading my private msg so we can resolve this and not continue to argue over a lack of data or a misunderstanding.... Not sure which this is.

 

Hey...i just had a thought....this thread is aboot cameras everywhere....not fiber everywhere.
Although...u sure could run a lot of camera feeds on 1 strand of fiber....

Just sayin'

 

First, I do not do this for a living but I did work for Time Warner Cable for 9 years in IT until April of last year.
Second, I don't even know where the nearest Holiday Inn Express is so obviously I didn't stay there last night.
That having been said, I read the vast majority of the information in the links that @Ganado posted and this is what this layman was able to get from it.

1 - They do in fact run fiber from long haul, high (and very high and ultra high) voltage towers, like @Ganado said.
2 - It clearly states in both of those links that the fiber is used for control systems communication and for "instant" communication between the control station and linemen/women, like @BTPost said.

@Ganado - Personally, I think you made your point and were technically correct on the fact that they do run fiber on those lines.
@BTPost - You were also correct in your assertion of what that fiber is strung for.
@Mindgrinder - You are closer to this on the ISP/Telco side than I was and more recently that @BTPost has been but coupled with my networking experience you are absolutely spot on with distances depending on single/multi-mode and laser vs. led. I don't think you were looking for validation though.

@BTPost - You are a treasure trove of knowledge, no doubt about it. In some subjects, I wouldn't even think of doubting you (energetics is one...chemistry does not change). In some subjects I "trust but verify" and you are right far more often than you are mistaken (radio/FCC stuff...some things have changed but very little and you seem to have your finger on the pulse so you stay in the loop). Some things, like the above however, well depending on how recently you were involved, things have changed a LOT. That isn't a slam or a ding, it's just the facts. Take the dial-up -> ISDN -> DSL -> High Speed Cable -> Fiber to the curb shift. That has taken less than 15 years and it is light years different between the beginning and the end. Distances have changed. Like @Mindgrinder said, splicing fiber now is trivial (single strand...a bundle is...well it's still a lot of work but not as "complicated" as it used to be, just time consuming). That used to take tons of practice and cost upwards of $50 per splice. Now it's cut, throw the ends into port A1 and A2, clamp down, wait 30 seconds, put the ends in ports B1 and B2, Put the connector in slot C1, push a button and wait for it to pop out a spliced piece of cable. Seriously, it's a no brainer. I do think you are splitting hairs and looking to nit pick on this one, with all the respect in the world. Just asking, did you actually READ (not just look for fiber in the pictures) the info in the links @Ganado posted? It was pretty clear that whether they were in the stock footage pictures or not, they were running fiber on/between those towers. Quote from the second link:
"A fiber optic cable is sometimes strung on the transmission towers below the conductor."

@Ganado - You have been on a posting tare recently. Not a bad thing and new blood is AWESOME! That having been said, unless you lurked for a long time it takes a while to get the read of a place. @BTPost is a good guy with strong opinions and just like you doesn't enjoy being questioned in an area he feels knowledgeable in. I've personally gotten a lot out of the things you post (but I think you type too fast for spell check to keep up or use your phone/tablet a lot ) so I'm not calling you out. Everybody can be wrong but nobody likes it when it happens and most of us get prickly when it does.

I do think you both made your point and you are both at least partially correct.

BTW - TWC runs fiber above ground, on telephone poles and all the way to the neighborhood demarc where it switches to coax (copper) to the house in the vast majority of their markets. There are only a couple of TWC locations (and those are beta right now) that run fiber to the house. There is a whole host of changes needed in the infrastructure to support that, not the least of which is a REALLY expensive piece of equipment hanging on the outside of the house (or in a structured wiring cabinet inside) to break it back down into usable infrastructure inside the house. TVs, cable boxes, internet "modems", high speed routers and heaven forbid phones on the wall can't do a thing with that fiber. The cost is coming down but there's a reason for that big green utility box at the entrance to your neighborhood converting the signal on the fiber to copper that is run to the house. $$$

If things have changed in the last year, I have no doubt that @Mindgrinder will correct me. I'll just go ahead and stand corrected now.

 

Fire them both !!
Get over it ,
OK page two
shake & bedone .
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I read it as to different times & eras .
Who-da-thunk of having fiber optics in cars , LIN.LAN,PAM SYM and many others . It will work into the aerospace area , but the crap is so flaky we would be having raining airships.
I do this junk .

Sloth
Edit Add , Glad all took it as a joke , as it was meant to Be.

 

Had a Friend say "You need this new device", nope all I need is peace and quiet. Cell phone is for my peace of mind not others so it is turned off at times.

I have to dodge the Phone Zombies as they risk life and limb to be one of the Jones.

 

Yesterday I was fixing a work order for a customer who was getting fiber installed in a new apt building in Calgary. Our sales rep who took the call screwed it up not realizing it was a fiber building and booked it as a "regular" install for tv/internet/phone slated to take 45 minutes. The customer chatted in and asked me to change the install date which prompted me to catch the error. After speaking with our FTTP team I had to rebook for 3 WEEKS later into a 4-6 hour install time window. It's going to cost the company $400-$600 (2 man crew) to complete an install that will generate $120/month revenue compared to $50 (1 man 45 minutes) to do the same job on straight coax. I also took the opportunity to request our most recent technical docs which I should have next week. Won't be able to post them as resources (company stuff) but I will be able to share exactly how we're doing it with anyone who is interested. The termination point for the customer is a netgear fiber router and the amount of customers we have with this level of service is so small that only a handful of techs are trained to troubleshoot it. (also requested the training docs so I can be the only 1 in my department who can TS it ) It looks much easier to troubleshoot as it's either "working" or "not working". Pwr cyc router...back online? Book fiber tech. Can't exactly ask customers to get their hands in the strand and start screwing around with it. I also bumped into a couple friends from our fiber planning dept in the smoke area and asked them if we do much long haul aerial fiber yet and they confirmed "some" but that trenching is still widely preferred when possible. They told me the longest aerial run they could think of was done for the 2010 Olympics from Vancouver to Whistler alongside electric transmission lines that are moutainside mounted....hence no trenching. They were unable to tell me if the repeaters have been swapped out since then with newer tech but said "probably".

Just sharin....
@DarkLight
@BTPost
@Ganado

 

Very true....I remember when I first got into broadband and was so excited about the "emerging" tech of doing IP over the copper in power lines....until I learned aboot SNR and jitter. The sinking feeling was like watching my favorite prize tomato plant die.