Canadian sniper sets world record with 2.2-mile pickoff of ISIS fighter

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Bandit99, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

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  2. Tully Mars

    Tully Mars Metal weldin' monkey

    Having participated in many high power rifle matches in the past out to 1,000 yrds I can only sit here and read this in awe. The skill of not only the shooter but his spotter I could only wish to have. I would genuinely love to see a shot like that connect-not because of his target, because that shot was a thing of beauty.
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  3. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    Perhaps a little further research would find that US 50 Cal Ammo and instantaneous scope related adjustments accounted for this Herculean feet of Marksmanship. JMHO.
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  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Sorry Guy, but a scope can't do a damned thing once that slug leaves the barrel and it don't hit unless all the human factors are completed to perfection.
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  5. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    Perhaps I have mentioned how to adjust your less than perfect Human Computations Instantaneously in a different thread on this same network? Further research might validate this book learning?
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  6. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    They have made some really great optic but don't waste you breath trying to convince a long-range rifleman that it's all about the equipment.
  7. Meat

    Meat Monkey+++

    God Bless the receiver of that projectile. He was most likely a nice fellow. :D
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  8. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    Did you really want the management to slap my hand?
    I do believe that I have posted the specifics of my trivial extended range EKIA in Lima Peru on this forum, and Y'all ain't going to see that far with a value enhanced optic!
  9. techsar

    techsar Monkey+++

    Relax, Francis ;)

    I think the point was that not just anyone with a $5k scope is going to make that shot...
  10. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Somebody tell me who this freaking troll is?
  11. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    Um, "Seacowboys" do we need to take a special moment off air if I'm that "freaking troll" that you inquire about?
  12. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Wonder how many shots it took to connect.

    I am pretty sure it wasn't going to happen with an M14 with special Long Range rounds.
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  13. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus Site Supporter

    @M118LR - I believe, and I'll admit that I may be incorrect but indulge me please, that the point being made by everyone else was that equipment without skill doesn't get you far. Clearly, and I don't think anyone would try to convince you otherwise, the right equipment is necessary.

    I doubt you can hit what you can't see, and you can't hit something further away than your equipment can reach. But equally important is the ability to use the tools, to configure them in such a way that you can in fact get the bullet in this case, all that way there and hit what you are aiming at.

    BMW makes a beautiful, powerful, fun to drive machine, but two people with different levels of skill will get vastly different performance out of the same vehicle. Believe me, I've been humbled at the Performance Driving School experience repeatedly.

    A budget optic is not likely to even be able to see the target clearly if at all, true. Anything in 5.56 is equally unlikely to be physically capable of delivering the package that far unless you are shooting very, VERY "down". Someone with little to no skill or training has an equally small chance of using either tool to their fullest with the result mentioned in the original post.

    I would humbly submit that yours is not the only correct opinion simply because it is the one that you hold. Yes, you've outlined your position and experience on/with optics in another thread, but like here you came across as dismissive of any opinion other than your own. If that wasn't your intention then it is unfortunate that it came/comes across that way, but it does.

    If you were a left handed shooter with a left eject weapon, would that make everyone else who is right handed with a right eject weapon actually, physically, empirically wrong? Or just using a tool that would be wrong for you?
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  14. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    The sniper used a McMillan TAC-50 sniper rifle—the standard long-range sniper of the Canadian military—and fired the shot from a high-rise building in an undisclosed location.

    The Globe and Mail said the shooter used a McMillan Tac-50 rifle. The U.S.-made rifle, chambered in .50 caliber, is known in the Canadian armed forces as the C15 Long Range Sniper Weapon and was responsible for multiple record-breaking shots during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan in 2002. The weapon has a maximum effective range of around 4,000 yards and weighs roughly 26 pounds. Wouldn't want to hump that bad boy...

    also -

    When asked about the incident, one active duty and two former U.S. Marine Corps snipers were skeptical, saying that the shot, while possible, was also highly improbable. A human sized-target at that range would be almost impossible to see with even some of the most advanced rifle optics available, they said.

    Evan McAllister, a former Marine sergeant who served multiple deployments as a sniper in Ramadi, Iraq and in Afghanistan’s Helmand province, said little is known about the capabilities of a unit like Joint Task Force 2. The team was likely operating with an array of systems to help make the shot, he said.

    “While the shot was possible with the outstanding ballistic properties of a match .50 projectile, a conventional rifle scope would make seeing the target at that range almost impossible, and it may be likely that the sniper team had some form of assistance either from an extremely advanced rifle scope or an overhead drone,” McAllister said. “There is also a chance that the sniper couldn’t exactly see the target or the impacts, but a spotter with an advanced optical device was able to verbally walk the sniper onto the target and correct his aim.”

    If I can see you, I can (and will) kill you.
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  15. Merkun

    Merkun furious dreamer

    Make that "they." A solitary sniper is rare, most cannot operate solo very well. The spotter is as much a part of that successful shot as the guy on the trigger. Well done anyway, even with un-mentioned but speculative assistance.
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  16. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    As I am Ambidextrous, could even a skilled shooter make such a pivotal shot without the best of equipment. But the question remains, could one unskilled even come close to achieving such a shot armed with even the best of equipment? But it's not my opinion that is in question, can a skilled shooter armed with the best of equipment make a shot that the equipment isn't capable of reproducing, at least one time?
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  17. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    Just ask his Mother.....
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  18. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus Site Supporter

    No, and instead of beating around the bush I'll be blunt because you seem to be intentionally being a dense, difficult, pompous ass.

    No, even superman could not make the shot without the correct equipment...which I think I blatantly said at least once if not twice in my post and implied at least once more. However, your typical middle aged anti-gun twiddle fingers couldn't make the shot with zero experience or skill and all the right equipment.

    The POINT is that one without the other is a recipe for failure. The POINT is that equipment without skill is an expensive paper weight. The POINT is that skill without the tools is useless. The POINT is that the whole package is required.

    And congratulations on being ambidextrous. Honest to GOD I regret engaging with you. You're never wrong, your point of view is the only one that matters to you and you just can't not get the last word in.

    So, ill let you get it in with me because it's the last time I'll respond.

    Maybe you'll be afflicted with Kellory Syndrome sooner rather than later...and I actually liked him.
  19. M118LR

    M118LR Caution: Does not play well with others.

    I was just wondering what the proper equipment was to make an almost impossible shot? Not to mention how many times out of one hundred do you think that superman could make such a shot? more or less properly arm someone to make that shot. But as nothing more than a Pompous ass, I truly regret that you would withdraw your spirited insight from such a volatile conversation over such a trivial point of debate as my opinion. I really do expect better of you.
  20. duane

    duane Monkey+++

    It isn't really a question of how often you can make a shot at X distance, one of the greatest values of a designated marksman or a sniper is their ability to create a bubble in which the enemy is exposed to a constant threat of being killed and in a sense is not allowed to fully utilize that area. The sniper who made that shot, no matter what optics or electronics aids he utilized, expanded his bubble to a radius of 2.2 miles and is going to make a lot of the opposition forces very uncomfortable at that distance and probably abandon any area within 1 mile radius of his location. One of the realities in life is that a good sniper or rifleman, is an incredible force multiplier, and one team with the right training and equipment may well destroy more enemies and control as much area as a rifle team, and in a SHTF situation could deny you the use of your garden, or fields, or destroy your livestock, or even force you to abandon your retreat. They operate at a distance, choose their location, their timing, and their targets and thus it either requires great isolation, open fields for miles, being on an island, or massive patrols to prevent them from dominating an area. Then with drones, forward observers, etc and the ability to call in air, artillery, or missiles, the area of denial may well extend out for hundreds of miles. There is a reason that our enemies are using IED's, car bombs, suicide vests, etc. If they attempt to stand up and fight, our training, weapons, and supply system destroys them in a very short time. Our little forays into Iraq proved that point to most of the world. Don't know the range of the .50, but we had an old F51 that was used in the fire power shows and it plowed up the ground at a lot more than 2 miles.
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