Can't fly the American flag??

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Quigley_Sharps, Nov 12, 2010.

  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Can't fly the American flag??

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  2. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    yet another reason i will never, ever live where there is an HOA.

    i would side with the homeowners on this one, keep flyin' Old Glory, and keep a security camera on it. You just know someone is gonna come by and "enforce" those HOA rules.
  3. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    I see it this way....
    Many years ago just like all veterans I basically wrote a blank check to this country
    That check was good for my service when ever or where ever needed and anything up to and including my life
    As far as I am concerned that check is still good and in return for that check all residents and all veterens receive certain rights
    One of those rights is to display the AMERICAN FLAG
    I think anyone that violates that right should be jailed or deported
    Also how can an american flag be considered racial?
    Someone has some really twisted veiws
  4. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus


    Amen brother. Amen.

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    I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
  5. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    Some folks in our justice system apparently lack common sense... How can a flag that represents a whole country and everyone in it be a Racial symbol.... The Mind Boggles
  6. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

  7. vja4Him

    vja4Him Monkey+

    Anyone who is against the American Flag should be deported and banned for life from every entering this country again! That goes for burning the American Flag as well. Myself and many of my family members (going all the way back to the founding, and even before that, of the United States) have fought, shed their blood, and some have even died, for our freedom.
  8. vja4Him

    vja4Him Monkey+

    That unfair action of the Turlock School District really pisses me off .... !!!! Big time ... !!!

    Turlock is only about seven miles from where I live ... That is hitting much too close to home ... !!!

    I fly several flags on my bicycle, but haven't received any complaints. I've even taken my bicycle inside my son's school many times, with the flags still on my bicycle, (parked my bicycle in the principal's office, one of the meeting rooms, and by the receptionist's counter. Never had any complaints .....

    I'm very patriotic, and as far as I'm concerned, anyone who disses the American Flag should be shot! But I'll be nice, and let them slide with banishment from my beloved country for their asinine attitude and action ....
  9. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

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  10. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Flags are too overrated these days. The flag is a symbol, it represents an ideal and it flies to denote intent and the will of the people who defend it. In this concept, a flag binds a people, it does not divide.

    I am a combat vet, and I never placed my allegiance in a piece of fabric or an ideal which has long since come and gone. I believe in myself, my family, and liberty. Let the fools of disparity come forward and cry; let the idiots point at the flag and exclaim they know what's best. In the end, it will always be the FEW who will stand against the many -it is WE who these symbols are initially made for, and it is our hand which will once again shape the world in which we live. Right now, because we stand alone -because we are divided, we really have no flag at all. We only have memories, stories, tales of greatness but no real conception of what it means. We have government approved history books and the Discovery Channel for our binder. The idea which was initially honored and attached to the flag of America has almost entirely dissipated. If the idea is gone, then the flag is really nothing more than a sullen token. But for the few, it remains as a reminder to what has happened to nation that was divided and conquered by foreign interests so long ago.

    It is time once again to raise a flag of our own, to fight our own battles and prove that the courage, wisdom, and tenacity of the patriot is everlasting. The spirit of the only time-honored tradition I faithfully recognize is that of duty to defend the republic against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Everything else is negotiable, even color.
  11. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    You are far too pessimistic and jaded.
    The flag IS a symbol, a symbol to be rallied around. The flag of the United States of America is OUR flag. The radical Left knows this, and seeks to take away the very symbol of OUR ideals, and the standard We The People should be rallying around. The ideals of the traitorous Leftwing can be overcome, IF we all rally and stand together.....

    But too many sit it out, "Not my flag, not my fight" they cry. Sad state of affairs, that.

  12. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Maybe. And perhaps all I am trying to say is that the flag never meant what you think it does. When both sides of this battle are flying the same colors, confusion will ensue. And as for the "radical left" being the bad guys...the right wing are just as much to blame for desecrating the red-white-and blue, waging war for profit of the corporations and building the police state around us. The flag is supposed to UNITE a nation, but all we have is division. Liberty is not defined by the stars and stripes, it is given purpose by the will of those who stand for the republic and it is not defined by political affiliation, but by the outlined delegation of limited power in the constitution, where any power that has not been clearly distributed unto the federal government is reserved to the states and to the people. The flag is a symbol for the military and of the federal government, and the people have become its chattel property.

    Support whatever you wish, just don't expect me to believe that only the liberals are out to get us. This is psychological BS, the talk of Hannity or Limbaugh and Beck. Where there exists the illusion that you actually have a struggle and the possibility of achieving victory, is only a created instance that has warmed the heart and filled the mind with patriotic fervor. The reality is still the same: you are a slave, you own nothing, and you will obey or be dealt with.

    The people should never fear their government. When this happens, there is only tyranny. When the government fears the people, that is when we have liberty.

    So, whose flag is it really?
  13. Ivan

    Ivan Monkey++

  14. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    I don't think I could have put it better.

    This isn't about left or right. It's about the 1st Amendment. If you want to fly a flag, isn't that your constitutional right? You could ignore this and say "oh well, flag means nothing anyways", but that misses the whole point of what's really going on. In this case, it is the left. They want to silence you and what the flag does represent. It doesn't represent the right. It represents and ideal. Who's to say you can't express that? No one is to say.
  15. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    So you joined up to go to combat for the 3 things you believe in " myself, my family, and liberty" it doesn't make sense to me if this is really what you believe in and then go to war for the "Man"
  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    You guys have no idea what I am saying, and instead you twist what I said. I never said what you are claiming.

    Re-read what I wrote.

    And I went to war to keep a few good people alive. That probably never occurred to you.
  17. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Take a deep breath Broker I never twisted nothing you said, it was a simple question.. I am curious as to the person you are and the way you think.
    I have re- read it show me that line in this quote?
    I see no mention of: "And I went to war to keep a few good people alive."

    If you ever want to see people think along the same lines and you truley want to see a movement toward your beliefs then you need to ease up and quit driving them away, unless you really don't give a **** and are just spouting another radical view like the thousands before you.

  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Whoa, Chief! YOU need to slow down also. YOU are the one making accusations and it was YOU who started to make this personal. WHY I went to war is of no consequence, and it does not add or detract from my statement. I have no reason to spill my personal life on a forum to you to prove a point. YOU are the one who started with the "Liberal" finger pointing, and any educated person already knows that the left/right paradigm is a trap. Now, do you want to politely argue the points I brought up or do you want to talk about my life?

    That being said, I have nothing further to say to you about this part of the topic. I can be as mature and decent as the rest, but if you want to start making this personal, you had better know that I don't go down that road.

    Actually, I have already said all I ever intended to in my first two posts. If the rest of the posters here (Al included) can keep from attacking me and stick to the subject, then perhaps it all would have ended there. The unrelated quote, "Oh well, the flag means nothing anyways" is just as ignorant as the opposing person claiming you said "Woo-hoo, let's light us up some dark skinned people and dance around our flag!", which nobody said in the first place.

    Seriously, I know I usually rub people the wrong way -I have come to expect controversy...just don't blame ME for telling it to you straight.
  19. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Broker I meant nothing by what i asked, I just have just read your posts over the last year or so and you seem so anti about a lot of things and yet so passionate about liberty and freedoms and yet it didn't seem to mix to me and I was wondering how you came to the decision of going in the service during war, it is none of my business and i can respect that, but i never twisted anything you said, ever.
    It seems You really don't under stand when someone is trying to learn from you and or your unwilling to teach it.
    fair enough Broker .btw thank you for your service.
  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Hell man, I will private message you any time and chit chat. Let me prepare a longer statement to post here for you, absent any personal info. I will do my best to clarify a bit. I will edit this post and my message will be here.

    I have learned about this life, about my country the same way that many others have. I learn as I go. I don't know everything, and I rarely claim to know "everything" about any one thing. I can say, however, with great certainty that I have figured out much of what is transpiring "secretly" in our government (in actuality, most is made public and ignored) and I do have a great deal of experience with the legalities behind what is happening. Early on in my military career, I was young and adventurous, I was determined to perform my duty as best I could, and I was a flag waving patriot who bought much of the official right wing story line...just as the rest did. Things change, and I was no exception. Long story short, I still love my country, but I am not buying a single word that is spoken from the television.

    It does seem to be a contradiction that I am such an ardent patriot, a person who loves liberty and freedom, and yet be so negative to the point of being disparaging. The truth is, that the truth is quite painful. How does one tell others that they have less chance of successfully living with true liberty in their lifetime than the folks caught on the lower levels aboard the Titanic? It isn't easy. In fact, the Titanic looks pretty damn good from where I am standing. Should I try to "make" people see as I do? Should I just give in and trust the teachings of some of my former professors who teach that we should not trust our eyes and thoughts, but rather believe the "experts" and their profound wisdom? Well, the "experts" are often paid to say whatever they are told to say, so I am pretty sure I know that option is out. I have been in charge of millions of dollars of equipment in the military. I had to trust my sight, thoughts, and memory on a daily basis -and I never failed at my job. My professors would have everybody believe they are incapable of trusting their own thoughts and their own memories. This is at the heart of my dilemma. How do I tell people that they are being deceived when they already know it? The real kicker is, these people just don't know to what extent they are being deceived, and if they possessed the aptitude to see it, I have found that they double-think their way to some mental safety zone, and can no longer be reached. Evidence, statistics, fact in law, real life examples, witnesses, research, documentation -you name it, it just isn't enough. It never will be.

    You just cannot convince a people who are already thoroughly convinced that they are perfectly sane and their conformity proves it. All progress ends at this junction. They are closed off. And they just happen to be the majority.

    "Terrorists" have become the civilians of this country. The war on terror was really a thinly disguised attack on liberty and freedom, on dissent. Most cannot see this because of the incremental way the system has been converted. I know the very first act that was taken, with bankers conspiring to gain control of our fledgling nation, to the most recent attempts to utterly destroy the financial centers in order to aggregate wealth into the hands of the few. With such a massive conspiracy, most would much rather chuckle nervously when told about it and exclaim that it's some kind of scam.

    I am negative because I know the full story. I know the full story (for many reasons) mainly because I challenged myself to follow the rabbit hole no matter how far it went. What I found I did not like, but I certainly was not influenced in any way because I was religious (because I never have been devoutly religious), or political (because I learned long ago how the alphabet agencies infiltrate political organizations). So, right there we can rule out two main reasons why I had a better shot of finding some real answers. With so many distractions out there, I am never doubtful as to why millions have fallen in line with party politics or religious groups. And these are only TWO of the distractions.

    In my youth, I studied the art of Ninjitsu. I have learned to let go of many things, and I am a man who holds very few illusions. I am not sold by technicolor or multi-billion dollar advertising campaigns that delve into the psyche and prey upon common weaknesses of the human mind. I know the role I choose to play, and I know the role of the corporation. The question on my mind which remains is, how many others are fully aware? Even more, how many are really in control of their own minds?

    I haven't even started to explain, and already I have typed too much. I wish I could go on but I am tired. Perhaps another time I will continue. The bottom line is, I don't have ALL of the answers. I am still searching for a few "why's" myself. I know the mindset of the ones we may call "the enemy", and believe me or not when I say that they share no affection for the human race. I often times find myself following suit, disgusted at so many "people" who have devolved into rats scurrying around an infested cage. I do what I can to remain strong. I see hope in the eyes of every child, and with every laugh.

    Hollywood has become an outlet to display the ideas of some who revel in the idea of exterminating the human race. Pick a movie to watch some time.
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