Casting bullets for muzzleloader

Discussion in 'Back to Basics' started by kellory, Feb 16, 2015.


  1. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Thermostat is not there. I think a simple potentiometer should do the job, checked by a mechanical thermometer.
     
  2. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Seems to be a close match.

    Product Details
    120V 210W table top 500ml mantle heater

    Product Highlights
    • Self-supporting, can be placed directly on counter top
    • Easy viewing of flask contents
    • Stackable for easy storage
    • Includes 6 foot cord with either a NEMA 1-15 (for 120VAC) or NEMA 6-15 (for 240VAC) plug

    Specifications
    • Fiberglass cloth outer shell
    • Uniform, low-watt density knitted and braided heating element.
    • Temperatures up to 900oF (482oC).
    • Multi-stranded resistance wire for increased durability and flexibility
    • Plug-and-play
    • Temperature controller required
     
  3. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Looks like it uses a timer for heat on time. That would be easily doable with a light timer. ( 15 minute variables.)
     
  4. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    I would imagine a real heat controller with the thermocouple providing the feed back.
     
  5. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Download shows no heat sensor, and one of the controllers on your link shows it to be an on power timer.
     
  6. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    The link is only part of the site. It was sampled as a way to see the advertised max temp for the given volts and watts.

    Note the last line; Temperature controller required. It gives you the options on the attached sheet.

    http://www.gordosales.com/store/pc/catalog/hm-instructions.pdf

    TS0 Portable Bulb and Capillary Temperature
    Controller Features:

    120 or 240VAC

    15 amps

    4-foot copper bulb and capillary

    Compact portable design
    • Plug-in operation
    TP0 Portable Time Percentage Dial Temperature
    Controller Features:

    120 or 240VAC

    15 amps

    Compact portable design

    Plug-in operation
    The TP0 series controller varies the proportion (length)
    of time a heater is in the “on” or “off” heating mode.
    The heating application will determine the actual
    percentage set point required. The controller does not
    use a temperature sensor and therefore satisfactory
    operation requires occasional supervision under
    changing load conditions.
    BriskONE Digital PID Thermocouple Temperature
    Controller Features:

    Accuracy: ±1 least significant digit

    Operating voltage 120 or 240 VAC, +10% -15%,
    50-400Hz

    Rated 15a @ 120VAC, 10a @ 240VAC

    Type J thermocouple input

    Dual display shows set-point and actual
    temperature

    Programmable to either °C or °F

    Automatic tuning of PID parameters

    Auto / manual control ability

    Compact portable design
    • Simple four key user control
    For more information and choices, go to the full temperature controller section at pages 80 through 100.
    Temperatures up to
    900°F (482°C)
    IMPORTANT: Temperature controller is required for this product. See pages 80 through 100 for options.
    Ordering Information:
    Self-supporting: can be placed directly
    on counter top
    Easy viewing of flask contents
    Stackable for easy storage
    Includes 6-foot (1.8m) power cord with
    either a NEMA 1-15 (for 120VAC) or
    NEMA 6-15 (for 240VAC) plug
    Product Highlights
    SDC Benchtop Temperature Controller Features:

    Temperature Control Range: 32-999°F (0- 600°C)

    J-type or K-type Thermocouple Sensor
    - 5-foot (1.5 m) factory installed

    120 VAC or 240 VAC power input

    10-Amp Fused Output

    Small Unit Size
    HM Table Top Heating Mantles
    Temperature Controllers for Heating Mantle
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2015
  7. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    "Plug-in operation
    The TP0 series controller varies the proportion (length)
    of time a heater is in the “on” or “off” heating mode" ....yep, just like a light timer. As for temp, just like over a burner, it will require supervision, and a thermometer. Lead does not heat or cool very quickly.
     
  8. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    You need to be aware of the reason this heater was designed. It is a shaped heater and it will require a good controller to have a service life for melting lead. This system is a lot like an immersion water heater that is not air rated. By that I mean that it may have a propensity to burn out when it goes over 900 degrees.
     
  9. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Understood, but since lead melts at about 620° why would I let the temp climb that high? Monitored, and power cut when it gets to the right temp, it should do alright.
    On the other hand, the burner build continues.;)
     
  10. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    I guess because you made no mention of monitoring it during your first run.
     
  11. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    No? Don't have the thermometer yet, and the test was just to see if it would get hot enough. At one hour, I have a melted puddle, but not a full melt yet, so more time or more insulation would be needed. No danger of that 900° mark yet, by a long shot.
     
  12. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Keep on with the burner, it will have a better volume of production.
     
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  13. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Alright, question about the wax flux. People keep saying "beeswax", but no one local seems to sell it, yet I have thousands of wax toilet rings available. Does it need to be a particular type of wax, or will any wax do?
     
  14. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    I use Bees Wax.... I bought 30# Back in the day, and still have over 25# still in stock.... Got it from an Art Supply House.... Google is your friend....
     
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  15. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Throw about 2/3'' in, You'll see instant flame and black smoke.. Wait
    Once all of it burns down mix it in or stir like Hades, The impurities will leach to the wax and float to the top, Same as wood shavings
    Skim off the black and start casting!
     
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  16. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Mechanical thermometer ordered, faceshield acquired. :)
     
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  17. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Alright, gauntlets, faceshield. Thermometer, pot and ladle are ready, beeswax is on order, though I am now told that any wax will do. (3lbs should be enough for a long time.) Heating element does work but is ungodly slow, so I opted for oxy/acet and used a small hand gardening tool as a rake to skim out solids. Thirthy pounds of wheel weights, trash, zinc, steel, and clips yielded 18lbs of lead, cast in round pot shaped discs.
    This was done in the open air, with a breeze at right angles to the work, so no fumes. Lead still needs to be fluxed to remove dirt and ash. IMG_20150315_173250689. IMG_20150315_175530344. IMG_20150315_201052767.
     
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  18. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    A garage sale muffin tin will be your friend for ingots.
     
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  19. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    True enough, but I'm making mine.
     
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  20. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Bricks, the type with an indentation in the middle and the name molded in the center, make an excellent casting source. Each Brick Ingot runs about 1/2 pound.
     
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