"Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING: EXTR

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  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

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    I just got this email and pics from a friend of mine. The story is a bit long, but it sets the stage for the pics.
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    I have not posted anything about lion hunting for awhile. I just finished my first semester of college at the University of Montana where I am studying wildlife biology. I got home for winter break and have been able to get out quite a bit lately. My friends and I have treed several lions and we have taken two.

    Yesterday my friend and mentor Mel invited me to go with him and another fellow named Jay who has two young dogs and a tag for our area. At about 6am we headed up into the Yaak area of northwest Montana. At about 2pm Jay found a track so he turned out his two dogs (Top & Lilly) and I also turned out my two (Elvis & Earl). They took off through the woods but they lost the track where the cat had crossed the Yaak River and had then doubled back across again. Mel and Jay walked downstream to gather dogs and look for the track while I was searching the far bank. We eventually lined out the track and put the dogs back on it. It was tough going so Mel put in his two good dogs (Brody & Fancy). The cat had made a third river crossing and the dogs were now on a fairly fresh trail. Since part of our plan was to get Jay’s dogs Top and Lilly some experience we grabbed Earl and Fancy and put them back in the rig.
    At this point we had four dogs heading up over the mountain. We drove about 2 miles up a nearby road to try and close some of the distance. We finally got bogged down in very heavy snow and the Garmin Astro collars were saying that the dogs were still about a mile above us and that they were treeing. We headed up on snowshoes but the going was VERY difficult due to deep snow and thick alder brush. It took about 90 minutes to hike to where the dogs were supposed to be.
    As we were hiking we saw on the receiver that Jays dog Lilly was running. Since she is young he just thought that she was running a back trail. As we continued to get closer we could still not hear the dogs. At about 500 yards the astro showed that the dogs were still treeing but since we could not hear anything we became concerned that the system was not working right. As we got close we had to get out our lights as the sun had set and we could no longer see. We hiked on and soon the screen showed that the dogs should be right in front of us at about 50 yards. Eerily there was absolutely no sound in the woods. We found the tree surrounded by tracks where they had put up the lion. We immediately began calling out for the dogs. Jay saw some blood by the tree and we assumed that a dog must have cut a pad.
    Jay started shining his light down the hill and saw two eyes shining about 30 yards away. He started that direction and seconds later we heard him start yelling. Mel and I ran down to where he was and saw something no houndsman ever wants to see. There in the snow surrounded by blood were two dead dogs.
    I instantly thought that one of them was my good dog Elvis. My heart was pounding as I got closer. When we got to them we had to check the collar since part of his head was gone. We ultimately discovered that it was Mel’s dog Brody and Jays dog Top. I could not find Elvis anywhere. I could only imagine that the same thing had happened to him and that he was lying in the brush nearby.
    As we tried to get over the shock of it all we slowly pieced together what had happened. It became very apparent that a pack of wolves had attacked our hounds as they were baying at the tree. Brody and Top had been killed instantly at the tree and then drug about 30 yards away where the wolves had started to feed on them. The eyes Jay had seen were those of a wolf eating our dogs.
    Lilly had obviously run away when the attack occurred but there was still no sign of Elvis.
    We were all sick about what had just happened but we needed to get down the mountain and try and find Lilly and hopefully Elvis. It was as tough going down as it had been climbing up, and when I broke a strap on my snowshoe I didn’t think things could get any worse.
    I have hunted these mountains many times but I have never experienced fear like I did on that hike. The thought of the wolves behind us, the dogs that had just been killed and of the two that we could not find were about all I could handle. With broken snowshoes I had to “posthole” most of the way back to the truck.
    We finally got back to the trucks and our missing dogs were not there. Before we got out of that deep snow we had to winch ourselves out about five times. It was getting very late and I was both mentally and physically exhausted by the time we got back to the paved road.
    We were due for some good luck and right then the collars for Lilly and Elvis lit up the screen and appeared to be about 1 mile ahead of us on the main road. As we got close I could see Lilly by the guardrail so I jumped out to grab her and began yelling for Elvis.
    I immediately heard barking down below us by the river. I jumped the railing and began calling to him. With my flashlight I could see Elvis and he appeared to be lying in the ice on the bank. As I got closer I realized that he was actually in the water and was too exhausted to pull himself up on to the edge of the ice. I was able to reach out to him and pull him to safety. I don’t know how long he had been there but he was shaking so bad I did not know if he would survive. We warmed him up in the truck as we headed for home which was still an hour away on icy roads.

    As I write this, Elvis is still so stiff and sore that he can hardly walk but since he is not yet 3 years old he is plenty strong and will be back on the trail soon. I have no idea how he was able to escape the wolf attack and near freezing to death in a river. All I know is that I am very fortunate to have gotten him back.
    I have not talked to Jay yet this morning but he had put so much time and energy into training Top I can only imagine how crushed he is. I talked to Mel and he is very frustrated, not just because he lost a great dog but also because he called a local game biologist who told him that our dogs were killed not 500 yards from a known denning site. According to the biologist they don’t publicize information like that because people might disrupt the wolves.

    R..I.P. Brody and Top, I hope the hunting is good up there in heaven.


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  2. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    DAMN!
    thats' just wrong....
     
  3. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    [angelsad]
     
  4. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    With that good intel, and maybe a suppressor, sounds like payback is due.
     
  5. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Moderator Moderator Founding Member

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    DAMN!!
    Time to track down some wolves that need killin'!!
     
  6. 44044

    44044 Monkey++

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    Pay back time.
     
  7. grooveline

    grooveline feelin x-tra paranoid

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    i agree that the loss of your dogs is tragic.:cry:

    but on the real... treeing America's big cats? shame on you. shame! graceful and deadly and you want to kill it...

    the wolves? they did nothing wrong either. whats up with this psuedo macho call for revenge?

    my momma use to say people who kill for sport suffer the LDS, little dick syndrome. maddd
     
  8. boolitshooter

    boolitshooter Monkey++

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    Time to put up the GPS location on these wolves in as many public forums for hunters as possible. Then practice the three "S's".
     
  9. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    Must be another bay area Kalifornian [nutkick][alllies]
    [LMAO]
     
  10. Sherman

    Sherman Dog Eat Dog

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    mmhhhmm but reminds me of the Water boy "momma say Ben Franklin is da DEBIL!"

    Sorry to see that the mismanagement of wildlife by fish and game has led to the overpopulation of wolves, which caused a strain on the natural food supply, forcing them to come closer to human population centers, putting people at risk and ultimately the death of those dogs and MANY others.

    We have the same problem with big cats here, careful going for a jog.... kittys love to stalk moving objects;)
     
  11. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Re: "Cat Dogs" Killed by Wolves (graphic pictures) WARNING:

    Yeah them cats are "sneaky" and camo experts too!
    The one around my place all it wants is a soft, warm, meal!
    Like the 2 puppies on the site!
    It's BAAAACK!
    And yes it is intent on slowly moving it's circles inwards, smaller and smaller!
    I really do not want to kill it, but I may have no choice.
    Too big to be trained for a litter box!
     
  12. jim2

    jim2 Monkey+++

    My dad told me that people thinking like you do have family trees that look like telephone poles. Shallow end of the gene-pool so to speak. Perhaps "Aunt-Mom" could rethink her position?

    I'd go back and kill them. Use the same predator calls as for yotes. Condolences and good luck.

    jim
     
  13. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Today...... cattle, sheep and dogs.

    Tomorrow...... someone's child.

    And tomorrow has happened already.

    These "reintroduced" wolves are NOT the same as the old indigenous wolves. They are the larger, stronger and more aggressive Canadian Grey Wolf - with NO fear of man. A very BAD idea to bring them here to the Lower 48.......

    We are seeing a problem stemming from "Econazism Run Amok" - best to kill these 'foreign predators' and use better controls on our own.
     
  14. jim2

    jim2 Monkey+++

    I concur completely. This has already happened with coyotes and cougars, and they weren't even imported. Bad idea all the way around, and the problem is that someone else, usually an innocient- pays the freight for these tree-hugging nincompoops.[gun]

    jim
     
  15. cornmonkey

    cornmonkey Monkey+

    Kill all the kitties and trap all the wolf's and make nice rug's fine coat's. Hint there is a reason they were hunted to extinction in the lower 48. They killed big thing's including people. So screw the wolf's and big kitties. O' i forgot bear meat is good if fixed properly and the skin's are extra nice. [gun]
     
  16. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Yep, it's like they say in the south. That family tree don't fork, but it shore has some strong roots, cause it ain't dead yet.
     
  17. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    So what *if* for the sake of it.
    What if the Wolves, Big cats etc are allowed to consume the very food supply or supplement that you would use in the SHTF, or etc.
    Or a way to outlaw guns if they no longer allow hunting due to numbers of Deer and Elk wont support it?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" />
     
  18. Rex Lee

    Rex Lee Monkey+

    You don't need to kill them all, just kill enough to keep a healthy fear of man in them...
    Take coyotes for instance. In California, coyotes stalk people, and kids and house pets. Down here in Texas, if you ever even SEE a coyote, it is running for it's life, because they are generally shot on sight. They damn sure don't think about stalking kids or people, and usually don't come close enough to mess with pets.
     
  19. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    [soap]

    These deficient, self-serving, altruistic, holier-than-thou Eco-tards have created the situation we now have on our hands.

    Mountain lion attacks on people apparently increased dramatically since 1986. For example, in California, there were two fatal attacks in 1890 and 1909, and then no further attacks for 77 years, until 1986. From 1986 through 1995, nine verified attacks occurred, an average rate of almost one per year. Attacks were numerous enough to form a support group for attack victims, called California Lion Awareness.

    1986 is firmly inside the Eco-doofus movement. They want to hug trees and save the "innocent" animals. They get laws passed in some states making it illegal to kill nuisance predators. They back their logic with "well the predators keep the other species in check". This moronic, naive, dim-witted, sanctimonious attitude has not solved any problem, except perhaps salving their deficient senses of personal fulfillment.

    These Eco-idiots need to be aware that MAN
    is the apex predator on land. We hold the apex due to higher intelligence (well most humans are more intelligent than an animal, many are not, like eco-dummies), and for now, superior weaponry. If humans were reduced down to a stone-age level of technology, the playing field would favor the animal slightly due to natural weaponry.

    Guys, these animals are predators, plain and simple. It does not matter if the prey has 2 or 4 legs. Food is food to a very hungry, super aggressive predator species. Reintroduced wolves are extremely aggressive pack hunters. They have no problems taking cattle, sheep, goats, chickens, dogs, cats, and even humans. Some specimens of wolf can range upwards of 100+ pounds. These are not cute doggies. They are not pets. They are feral animals. The animals you see at the zoo or at the "rescue" parks are extremely well fed, and have no reason to attack anything, yet sometimes still attack the keepers.

    In fact I question the very sanity of a wolf rescue and release operation. Tending to an animal like a wolf quickly removes it's fear of humans. This is dangerous to humans, human habitations (like farms or ranches), and any animal closely associated with humans. Bad idea, IMHO.
    [rnt]
     
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