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cdc pushes vaccinations for all, no exceptions

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tango3, Jun 27, 2010.

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  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    They just won't leave well enough alone:

    story sources the washington post

    (NaturalNews) An advisory panel to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has recommended that every person be vaccinated for the seasonal flu yearly, except in a few cases where the vaccine is known to be unsafe.

    "Now no one should say 'Should I or shouldn't I?'" said CDC flu specialist Anthony Fiore.

    The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices voted 11-0 with one abstention to recommend yearly flu vaccination for everyone except for children under the age of six months, whose immune systems have not yet developed enough for vaccination to be safe, and people with egg allergies or other health conditions that are known to make flu vaccines hazardous. If accepted by the CDC, this recommendation will then be publicized to doctors and other health workers.

    The CDC nearly always accepts the advisory committee's recommendations.

    Current CDC recommendations call for the yearly vaccination of all children over the age of six months, all adults over the age of 49, health care workers, people with chronic health problems and anyone who cares for a person in one of these groups. These recommendations cover 85 percent of the US population.

    Excluded are adults between the ages of 19 and 49 who do not come into close contact with people in high-risk groups. The new recommendation, if adopted, would close that gap, bringing an end to a 10-year campaign by supporters of universal vaccination. In the past, the advisory committee has been reluctant to recommend universal vaccination for fear that it might produce vaccine shortages that place members of higher risk groups in danger. Yet even with current recommendations, only 33 percent of the public gets vaccinated every year, leaving millions of doses to be disposed of.

    The H1N1 swine flu scare of the past year played a major role in the committee's about face, both because the disease killed many people falling outside the current recommended vaccine demographic and because it raised public awareness of and demand for vaccines.

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    U.S. government panel now pushing "vaccinations for all!" No exceptions…
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I attend college, and they will try to mandate that all students will have to have a flu shot, but if I will have no option to refuse, they had better be prepared for a sh*tstorm.

    Yes, as was predicted -the CDC and Slavery, Inc. are planning to inoculate the population via coercion and force if necessary. No doubt there are shady government tightwads investing in big pharma right now. Labor camps are next, and forced evacuations to "safe zones" as diseases spread and catastrophes ensue -nothing is as it seems. Extermination will be profitable, I imagine.
  3. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Some states have a religious exemption. We used it this year when the tried to add on additional "boosters" for our kids.

    Even though we're pretty mainstream Christian we still claimed it as part of our individual religious beliefs (which it is) and they cannot prove (nor will they dare to attempt to prove) otherwise.
    To attempt to do so would be tantamount to creating "acceptable" religions.
  4. The_Metatron

    The_Metatron Monkey+

    There is a tipping point of herd immunity of the numbers of un-immunized members, beyond which, there exist enough carriers of a disease for epidemics to sweep the herd, mainly among the unprotected.

    Why would anyone risk their own lives, or worse, the lives of their children, from something that can be so easily prevented? Are there people who are really willing to sacrifice the lives of their children for religious beliefs?

    My very real children are worth far more to me than that.
  5. dragonfly

    dragonfly Monkey+++

    Well...they know where i am, and I'm NOT hard to find on any day. So: "Come and get some"!
  6. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    thanks for being part of the problem. Little is it known, but that tipping point you spoke of has already been breached. But that is merely a side note. The real issue I have with your position is your blind acceptance and lack for supporting choice and freedom in lieu of being forced to do something or to have foreign contaminates injected into your body.

    My entire family had swine flu, me, my wife and my two kids. It wasn't pleasant by any means, but the illness for 3 days over the possibility of injecting ourselves with adjuvants that are known to cause neurological damage (I studied neuroscience and did research on Alzheimer's for 3 years, so I understand these things quite well) far outweighed the puking, diarrhea and headaches. My wife had it the worst, my 3 year old had it the easiest with mostly just the runs.

    The whole thing was hype and that is FAR more dangerous than any epidemic. Hype can generate fear and fear does strange things to people, like make them think that injecting their children with vaccines is always the thing to do. [stirpot]
  7. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    The Internet is a wonderful tool for gathering info and intel - though common sense must prevail and one must learn to take the wheat from the chaff.
    I studied all I could onthe 'vaccines' early in the H1N1 scare - after weighing both sides and reading as much as I could - I made the personal decision that the disease was not nearly so scary as the 'vaccine'. Little or no real-world testing, many different versions from at least eight different manufacturers - do you know WHICH version you got? The chemicals going into it.... NOT the stuff I'd care to have pumped into my old & decrepit body.
    If the SHTF regarding this disease, I am ready and willing to keep myself holed up away from others for the duration. [winkthumb]

    Just my personal choice - we each make our own.
  8. The_Metatron

    The_Metatron Monkey+


    Adjuvants? For example?

    None of us had the swine flu. We had the vaccination.

    Part of the problem? What problem is that? The public health problem?
  9. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    is that a serious question out of genuine concern or are you trying to mock me? because I really don't have time for kindergarten games.

    I know a lot of people that didn't get either.. what's your point?

    The public IQ problem. The dumbing down of America and the public sheep growth problem. The unwillingness to question the government. The bull-ring intent on following orders from the government and the willingness to throw your liberties to the wind because you're scared.
  10. The_Metatron

    The_Metatron Monkey+

    Oh well, we wouldn't want to bother you with asking for citations to support your assertion, would we? Wouldn't want to cut into that precious time of yours.

    Concern? No. I am expecting to see some of the canned anti-vaxers' canards. So, what is it? Squalene? Thimerosol?

    I'm thinking you may not have done an actual risk analysis. It turns out the mortality rate of the H1N1 swine flu was about 1 in 1000. No vaccine has ever had that kind of mortality rate, let alone complication rate.

    You were saying something about sheep?
  11. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    "Anti-vaxers"? Seems like you've practiced your rant before you came here to spew it out.

    And why would someone sacrifice the health of their children based on a religious belief? I'd trust my personal belief system before a bunch of bureaucrats in lab coats. Sorry you don't have the same strength of character.

    Peanut allergies, CFS, Fibromyalgia, depression, childhood arthritis, autism. All reaching epidemic proportions. All virtually non-existent 40 years ago.
    What's that all about? Could be environmental, diet, microbial, or
    hey, what about that stuff we've been injecting directly into our bodies to re-program our immune systems?
    The answer is right before you.

    14 years ago, my wife came down with Guilliame Baret syndrome. Just another auto-immune nightmare. Docs told her that under no circumstances should she receive a flu shot. Why? Because there's evidence that the things reprogram your immune system to attack your body. In fact the largest epidemic of GB in the US was linked to the 70's swine flu vaccinations. BTW, it came up AGAIN in this round of vaccinations - big surprise.
    That's all the proof anyone should need. If you want to run scared from things like mumps, measles and tetanus - things that have not even shown their faces in 60 years - go right ahead. I'd rather run from the foreign chemicals they want to shoot me up with.
  12. The_Metatron

    The_Metatron Monkey+

    Is it too much to ask for a citation from a peer reviewed journal or paper about these Guillain–Barré clusters?

    I think you're confused as to who's running scared of what here.
  13. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Yes. It is too much to ask.

    Right now, you're another troll who'll be gone in 2 weeks.
    Spend some time posting something of value on this site. When you've earned some respect here, maybe some of us will spend the time it takes to educate you.

    In the meanwhile, you can Google it.

    Some balls.
  14. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    I studied, SPECIFICALLY neurological damage during my research. Mercury is KNOWN to cause neurological damage and I NEVER once mentioned mortality.. I said "damage", so get your facts straight. They didn't call people mad as a hatter for kicks.. there's actual science behind that one.

    I think your risk analysis is abysmally skewed. The long term potential of neurological damage is FAR greater a risk given the kind of life pressure that dealing with neurological damage entails. I can guarantee you that you don't want to have to live with this kind of damage or have to take care of someone who's acquired it via a vaccine and it does happen and the result is like a lifetime of the death of a family member.

    The hype surrounding the H1N1 was COMPLETELY unfounded and it generated so much fear in people that they blindly rushed to get vaccinated because they were instructed to do so. Yes.. deary.. sheep of the "baaa baa baaa ok master" type.

    Why should I waste my time when you can look it up yourself? I don't fancy doing other people's homework for them. But thanks for YOUR canned response. It's a textbook response from every lefty, noobstick, replies that I've seen so far since the start of the H1N1 fear mongering. Your mind was already made up before you even posted your first post. I knew exactly who & what kind of person you were and exactly what kind of response I would get from you so I opted not to play your game.

    Aside from that, this whole argument wasn't even the point of my post. The point was CHOICE. Your first reply seemed like you were suggesting that we comply and give up our right of choice and THAT, my misguided fellow, is the issue. I could care less if you want to inject yourself or your kids with vaccines laced with neurologically damaging chemicals and risk the latent results...that's not my business. You go on doing what ever it is you want. But when I am forced to do something to my body or that of my children which I DEEM to be harmful, then that's where I draw the lines. In that respect, you are part of the problem in facilitating the perception that we'll just go along with their bull****.

    So long as there is a choice, I'll back anyone up with what they want to do (legally), no matter my personal opinion on it. Once you remove choice, I start a war because I'm not going let my kids grow up without the God given right of choice.
  15. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    You 'da man 'Rev! [winkthumb]
  16. The_Metatron

    The_Metatron Monkey+

    No citations?

    I did. I'd have thought that was evident by my spelling. You're somewhat misinformed.

    I wonder how you think saying "you're another troll" is anything other than a personal attack, a violation of this forum's code of conduct. Yeah. I read it. Carefully.

    Yep. Some balls. I show up here and don't sing with the choir. I'll be around for a while, I think. No, I'm not interested in earning your respect, and owing to my brevity on this forum, haven't yet met the member qualified to educate me. So far, all I've done is expose an inability to support assertions with evidence.
  17. The_Metatron

    The_Metatron Monkey+

    Fun fact about thimerosol.

    Since 2003, there has been no thimerosol in childrens' vaccines in America. Yet, there has been no drop in diagnoses of autism.

    Here's some simple math. A dose of vaccine has about 50 micrograms of mercury from thimerosol. Canned tuna has 0.353 micrograms of mercury per gram of fish. 141 grams of tuna (about five ounces) has the about the same amount of mercury then as your typical vaccination.

    Every tuna sandwich you eat then, probably has more mercury than that H1N1 jab.

    I wonder how many people swear off canned tuna because of the mercury.

    It seems everyone is entitled to their own opinions. But, not their own facts.
  18. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    big difference between eating a **** sandwich and having it injected into your blood stream. The immune response is COMPLETELY different and there HAVE been many cases of neurological damage as a result of vaccines. But again.. you miss the point so let me gently guide you back to the issue of FORCED vaccinations where my God given right of CHOICE is no longer valid.
  19. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Support it yourself.. the internet is chock full of reports of neurological damage. Happy hunting.. I have better things to do than to educate you.
  20. The_Metatron

    The_Metatron Monkey+

    You're partially correct there, UGRev. The mercury in your tuna sandwich is methyl mercury, known to be neurotoxic. The mercury in thimerosol is ethyl mercury, which studies are finding to be much more easily eliminated by the body. Of course, you are misinformed if you think that the methyl mercury in our tuna sub doesn't end up in your bloodstream. Again, you just aren't entitled to your own facts.

    You do bring this to another point. You seem to think that what people do, or don't do, in regards to vaccinations is a personal choice that affects no one but themselves. If that were so, I wouldn't care a bit what you do. Except it isn't so.

    There is an ethical problem with you making such life and death decisions for your children, who are legally incapable of informed consent. Further, microbes couldn't care less about your "god given rights". If enough people refuse vaccinations and break down herd immunity, then the resulting epidemics will affect others. This is at least two places where your precious choices don't cut it.

    Personal freedom of choice is a wonderful thing. Until it affects others.
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