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Census rights

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by fortunateson, Aug 13, 2010.

  1. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I guess they didn't like my numerical answer to the census, so they're sending out the drones.

    2 in 2 days!

    Today I gave them the # and my name.

    I asked the b*tch to leave but she just stood there until I slammed the door in her face.

    Do I have the right to institute a "tresspass" on these people? In my state, that's a warning and notification of the sheriff. That's usually enough to get most "commoners" arrested the next time they show up.
    Does that work on these people? I know they make all sorts of exceptions for the sake of govt. business.

    Even so, will the sheriff cooperate?

    My next step is just to turn on my sprinklers. [own2]
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    You ask for ID every time, right?

    Next time, tell them you will have to check their ID with the local police/sheriff before you go further. You can have a lot of fun with this I imagine.

    I couldn't do it since the police in my area see me as just another slave.
  3. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    They have it around their necks.
    They're trained to just ask questions until you slam the door in their face, so even if I made an issue of writing down a badge number, they'd keep at it until I slammed the door.

    I'd love to get LE involved, but I doubt they'd take my side.

    I think I'm just going to have to ignore them until I get fined. Worth every penny.

    Now, if I had a big Rottweiler that I couldn't control...
  4. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Do you HAVE to open the door? Why don't you just put a microcam hook it on TV, so if someone rings the bell, just switch the channel to cam, see who it is and pretend you're not home...Next thing, put a doormat soaked in salt water, hook one wire to the mat, other to the door bell button...and keep fire extinguisher by the door...or can of kerosene...whatever you like better... :D
  5. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Well then it looks like you may just have to do what I like to call "Screw the world". First step:

    Buy yourself a nice pair of superman underwear briefs, a red cape, and a pair of those plastic eyeglasses with the funny nose. Oh, and buy a clown honking horn, too. no, an air-horn is a bit too much. Also, it helps to have a security camera on the front door so you know who is actually there. This makes your transition to "super-drunk" even more successful.

    Second step:
    Ensure that they all fit properly. Then, take it off and store it near the door.

    Third step:
    You can either wear the "costume" over your daily clothing, or go Au natural with just the items I listed (my personal favorite). With a little practice, you should be able to get fully changed in under 1 minute.

    Fourth step:
    Answer the door, give a toot, and act like a complete drunk.

  6. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Dude. You are just not funny. You need to work on that.
    Here's a lesson:

    YouTube - Not Jokes
  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    That dude is annoying. There is only one way he could ever make me laugh. I would commence with a throat strike and watch him convulse on the ground.

  8. XR750

    XR750 Monkey+

    Ansewer the door naked
  9. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Orrrr (and this is a true story).. as a friend of mine once did (unintentionally)...we had an April 1 costume party at his place...He had on one of those almost-looks-real ugly monsters face mask...it was a real disgusting mask...Naturally, we started partying little early (like 3pm)...soooo....the door bell rings, it's the guy reading the water meters (we have meters in all our bathrooms and kitchen)...he opens the door, the reader man drops on the floor unconscious...we had problems waking him up, but after some schnapps and pork, he finally came around... :D
  10. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Schnapps and pork!
    I'd tend to think more along the lines of burgers and beer.
    But I suppose the concept is the same: Alcohol and meat.
    You won't hear me turning it down!
  11. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Hehehe...you and me both!...What our camping trip looks like: Car drive untill no road, then walking on into the forests...for few hours. Choosing site surrounded by tall trees, putting up tents. Making spit roast...roasting 15-20 kilos piglet...eating piglet, drinking schnapps...singing around fire, talking politics, arguing and cursing...drinking more schnapps...sleeping. In the morning dropping fishing rods into lake...if anything caught (carp or..don't know English names of fish..), catch going on grill, if not continue with piglet...with schnapps...again singing, politics, fighting, sleep. Next morning dropping rods again, while we're bathing the worms, doing some target practice...knives, axes, bows and crossbows...evening is classicaly the same... [beer]
  12. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Kinda like our camping trips.......
    except for the part where our Black Bears (or Grizzly out west) comes into camp and munches a couple of campers........ ;)

    The more I read of the goings-on of the Census Droids, the more I think their training varies greatly from region to region.
  13. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Not here...our bears and woves learned the hard way never to mess with drunk Balkans... :D
    You just eat few of them, and they spread the word around fast... ;)

    Census Droids...you mean some of them dodge bullets better then the others? Or some of them wear vests and rubber gloves?... [booze]
  14. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    Had the census droids come by for a visit today I guess because I only put 2 adults on my form when I sent it back. I also used a wet rag to seal the envelope for them, you know the DNA thing. I know I'm a little paranoid but I don't trust .gov at all.

    Anyway, I have a gate coming into the property with NO TRESPASSING signs on each side of it and always keep it locked unless I am expecting someone, like today. The guy shows up and while talking to him another truck drives up with a man and lady in it. The lady gets out of the truck and says she is from the census bureau. I ask her what she thinks she is doing up here and that you are trespassing, didn't you see the two signs at the gate when you came in? She says that she did but that she was told she could come onto peoples property if their gates are open. I told her that I did not care what she was told, she was trespassing and had to leave right now. She then said what was your name again, I replied that I did not give it and to leave, which they did. Makes me wonder what they might try next if they really want my info and know that I am hostile towards them.
  15. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Yup. Mine are trained in the same methods.
    They're real aggressive this time around.
    And they will just stand there when you order them off of your property.
    I can't quite figure out what is going on with that.

    Are they hiring the type of losers who are just looking to sue someone?
    Is the govt. trying to provoke us?

    The thing that pisses me off is that they KNOW they can pull this stuff because I have too much to lose.
    If I even turn the hose on them, I'm going to be in a world of trouble.
    Are they using the same tactics on the shirtless Mexican with gang tattoos and a pitbull in the front yard of his trailer? I doubt that!

    I really get a bad feeling about this.
    My best defense so far is to just not answer the door.
    I will be logging visits for a report to the local sheriff. (BTW, I fully expect the next one will be tomorrow morning at 7AM).

    If this gets bad (like people ringing the doorbell incessantly at odd hours) I'm going to just get their badge # and name and write down their license plate. Then I might go to the local talk radio guy or TV station.

    I dunno. It just seems like provocation and that's a bit troubling.

    Just DON'T give them an excuse.
  16. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I guess I got lucky with the two that showed up here. Out in the country in Oregon is a little different and I think they knew that they better leave. If they would have pulled the crap they did with you I would have made a citizens arrest and held them for the sheriff's department. As long as I keep the gate locked I should not have any more visits from them, they just got lucky when they came up.

    "And they will just stand there when you order them off of your property."
    If the people don't leave your property once you tell them they are trespassing can't you do a citizens arrest on them and let the LEO's deal with them?

    "If I even turn the hose on them, I'm going to be in a world of trouble."
    You need a sprinkler on the walkway to the front door, with the hose run around the back, to discourage them from getting to the door when you see them coming.
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    From the last three droids, one was a bit more persistent then the others, and one was hopelessly lost (his map was incorrect.)

    Q: - Your name, please, sir?
    A: - It's on your checklist, right there in your hand.
    Q: - What's the address here?
    A: - It's on the mailbox you just drove past.
    Q: - How many people live here?
    A: - The same number as I put on the questionnaire, and sent in months ago.
    Q: - Well, will you file in this one for me now?
    A: - No, that might result in me getting counted twice, thus rendering the census wrong before the totals are run up.
    Q: - What is your ethnicity? That is, how do you prefer to be classified racially. (Those are not the actual words, but the sense of the question is there.)
    A: - (None, just a smirk.)
    Q: - Is there anyone else living here?
    A: - Isn't that the same question I answered on the questionnaire months ago?
    Q: - Can I have your phone number for a followup later if we need it?
    A: - No.

    After a couple more reruns, restatements and idiocies, I had to tell the last one that no matter how many times or how many ways the questions get asked, the answers will be the same. She got the message and left, so I didn't have to close the door in her face.

    All three of those that have passed this way were properly equipped with ID and equipments, so the Ruger didn't have to make an appearance.

    I've not heard of any more than three droidal visits, maybe it's over with, or the next visitation will be accompanied by an alphabet agency in SWAT gear at 4 AM. Oh, well, as long as they keep coming, the unemployment figures won't rise ---
  18. enough

    enough Monkey++

    As others, I only answered the first question on the form. (Did anyone else notice that it was colored differently than the other questions?)

    I received a notice on the door about three weeks ago, from a census worker with phone number, a standard request for info form, and a handwritten note. The note was in black ink, except for two sections that were in RED ink. Those two sections were the ones that stated that they required more information and that calling them would make it easier on me, and the other section said that they would be back. Interesting.

    No more notices have been posted. My dogs likely greeted them. One of my girls is a little intimidating, to say the least. :)

    i can't figure out if my local sheriff dept is sympathetic to no trespass or not.
  19. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Yeah. I'm pretty sure that would result in a charge of kidnapping or holding a person against his will, or whatever they call it.

    They've been known to file harassment charges (from what I've seen online) against people who cuss them out. How do you think the sprinkler will go over?

    I appreciate the advice, but here's the thing:
    All of these people are fairly well motivated for govt. workers. That makes me think that they're in it for the politics. I don't think you'll find a Republican among them. They know what this means to their party and their president.
    The whole state is in a Democrat death grip. Years of artful gerrymandering supported by a bunch of fool yellow dog southern dems. have them solidly in control.
    The sheriff runs a fairly conservative show. Pretty good about gun shows, pistol permits, etc.
    BUT, I have no doubt that he knows how his bread is buttered.
    When push comes to shove, who will he support?
    I've got to dance carefully through this. Sad but true.

    What's also sad is the larger statement that this makes. This census is about nothing more than taking your stuff and giving it to someone else. Like I said, I doubt their being as aggressive in the trailer parks - but the suburbs - ha!
    So, it's 2010 and the Brownshirts have finally arrived. Wait until the civilian workers corps start up!
  20. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I don't know what the laws are in your state but a call to the sheriff should let you know what you can and can't do. Kind of like asking the fox how to guard the hen house!

    I did not mean to actually get them with the sprinkler, just to turn it on when you see them coming so they would have to go through it to get to your front door.
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