Change? My ass, its change......

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Quigley_Sharps, Aug 13, 2008.

  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    This is a person we want representing the USA? This guy is not an empty suit but
    one who will seek to "socialize" the US and "get in bed" with our enemies. Ask
    yourself, "what does this clown want"?

    This bunch will destroy all we know as "the best nation in the world" And wait
    until you see his desired Cabinet.

    Please watch and pass it to all you know.
  2. kckndrgn

    kckndrgn Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    hmm, very interesting. I'm about 1/2 way through the video.
  3. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    I'm sitting here watching this video and thinking how assinine the "facts" are .....

    I don't personally care for either candidate and honestly don't know who I'll vote for but I can tell you that all the "facts" this moron would have us believe that points to Obama's evility are such a load of hooey, I can't believe any of you would swallow them whole.

    FACT: the Constitution does not allow religious "tests" to ascertain a person's loyalty to the US. Therefore, we do not have to put our hands over our hearts at the pledge - it's become a cultural (hmmm, notice the word "cult" in that word?) tradition and a public religious "test" of visible loyalty since we're pledging "to God". I also do not put my hand over my heart as the flag goes by - does that mean I'm not a proud American? I love my country no less, but I am not Christian. We also do not have to by Constitution pledge loyalty on a Bible yet this is being used as a religious litmus test of loyalty as well.

    Fact, he has three "Muslim" names. Ok. How many Americans have German names? Does that mean they're all ideological descendants of Hitler? Is Muhammed Ali really a terrorist? He has Muslim names - by choice, nonetheless.

    His wife opened her mouth way before she engaged her brain with the pride statements. Well, did she really say anything any of us haven't thought or even said ourselves? *I* haven't been very proud of us lately. Does that mean I'm not a loyal American?

    I could continue to disect this narrator's stupidity, but I won't.

    I am NOT sticking up for Obama, don't get me wrong. But I AM reminding you monkeys to use your brains when you listen to the utter and complete bullshit this video spews in its obvious attempt at hatemongering. And if you can't use your god-given intelligence to see through the "Illuminati Picture" video and see it for what it is, then heavens help us all, we deserve what we get.
  4. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Funny its a one way street in politics with you, where was this with all of the hate posts about Bush?
    I don't support any of the candidates of 2008, I can equally bash them all, because I like them all the same. I hope one of them can bring us to the brink and get it done I'm tired of playing nice with a bunch of morons, a revolution is needed to cleans the Gene pool in the USA, were all hopelessly lost at the wanna be political annalists and all knowing arm chair commandos, most of whom couldn't live one day to fight back against what it terribly wrong in this country.
    Sad thing is when it all goes down I wont be there to see them fail, and be proven right, I know i will be fine.
  5. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    Well, Quig, if I'd seen hate posts on Bush, especially if they'd contained half-baked rubbish, I'd have commented about them as well. But I guess I didn't log in on those particular days. Sorry. I can and will only comment on what I actively see and know rather than stir the pot with lies and innuendos.

    Since I don't normally comment too awful much on such things, I'm a bit confused how you classify my political leanings as a "one way street", but ok. A reminder to use your brain and educate yourself rather than be a sheeple on this group's pasture shouldn't be seen as a partisan attempt either, but ok.

    If you wish to point out the numerous flaws in each candidate's strategies, this can be a good thing. However, to do so with the apparently sole source of a badly made video full of half-truths and insinuations rather than fact and truth - - well, that's not worthy of anyone except maybe a politician's PR department. To a person educated on what the Constitution says (not what we're taught in school which is sketchy at best) and how history and interpretation affect traditional practices vs origins of those traditions, hearing you avow "This bunch will destroy all we know as "the best nation in the world"" based on this video's obvious agenda, is far scarier than the "facts" purported to be inalienable truth.

    Maybe that's the change that's coming. Otherwise intelligent folks finally breaking over the knees of ego- and ethno-centric groups who follow such a murky agenda in such a charismatic manner that even the wolves stop and listen along side the sheeple.
  6. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    The whole thing was posted tongue and cheek, nothing more, I’m sure I can go back to all of the anti who ever post and find most of the board has been there, if you have not, then please accept my apology.
    I am going to be fair and balanced with my political views and those of the ones posted on this board. I dislike them all the same
  7. NVBeav

    NVBeav Monkey+++

    I haven't watched the video, but my opinion is that Obama is the best candidate that the Arabs could buy.

    McCain is the best candidate the national media could place to run against him.
  8. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    Fair enough, Quigley ;).
  9. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Yup, do we want Satin or Lucifer to run the show sems to be the choice they are putting forward in this election.

    I have no dilusions that he will win it at this point but will still be voteing for Ron Pauls simply because I will NOT be responsible in the smallest part for voteing for either piece of crap that is being put before us to choose from. To me voteing for either McCain OR Obama would be just like the definition of political correctness, the steadfast belief that one can grab a turd by the clean end.
  10. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd [troll]
  11. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    "Change".....? uh...not hardly! Just more of the usual Leftwing Radical Socialist agenda.
    I abhor Obama, and all he stands for.

    But I can be truthful in the fact that his own VOTING RECORD while in the US Senate, and his own words while stumping for election, makes him someone I absolutely CANNOT vote for. Same with Hillary - had she remained in the running.

    Personal views and prejudices aside - they just do not vote for or support what I want a President to support. Look to their public record, and decide.
  12. Jonas Parker

    Jonas Parker Hooligan

    If Obama gets elected, we get screwed.

    If Obama doesn't get elected, we get riots.

    Either way, we lose.
  13. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    'ill take riots over Our constitution getting rewritten by a socialist.
    Besides if we dont get riots, what good are all those fire hoses I just got?
  14. WestPointMAG

    WestPointMAG Monkey++

    Our house has termites. I hope it falls down before we have to tear it down.
    I just fear that we have lost the blueprints.
  15. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    Isnt that the truth,
  16. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++

    When it comes to politics anymore, I go with what Dmity Orlov wrote in his small thesis "Closing The Collapse Gap"

    1 Don't pay any attention to national politicians, it only encourages them. They are a colossal distraction. Stay focused.

    2 Don't even make fun of them (tempting as it is). If you completely ignore them, they will fade from view faster.

    3 Alexander Solzhenitsyn (who won the 1970 Nobel Prize in Literature) developed a handy saying which helped him survive the Gulag. It may help you too.
    "Don't belive them, don't fear them, don't ask anything of them."

    IMHO, I belive the "System" is beyond the point of no return. It no longer can be changed. As Quig stated above, hopefully one of them "Can get it done" so that the "Gene Pool" can be cleaned and sanitized.
  17. FalconDance

    FalconDance Neighborhood Witch

    First folks bitch our Constitution isn't being followed anymore, but they really don't want to be bothered to do anything about it.

    Then they bitch because someone said someone else wanted to "change" the Constitution (I thought that's what the present govt's been trying to do the past few years foosed ).

    First the word socialism was thrown around. Then the word communism. Hmmm, two different concepts, both historically given lip service to but not much followed in actuality. At this point, a little socialism might be preferable over the rampant bullshit we have going now. (And I'm not advocating socialism, so don't grab that one and run!)

    What DO you guys want? If you want the Constitution followed, then get off your asses and do something about it. FORCE these stupid politicians to do their jobs. Don't just sit around and moan about how we're losing freedoms and you just don't care anymore. The two sentiments are dissonant -- and the cop-out of cowards.

    Right now, I couldn't tell you which of these two would be better - or worse - for us. McCain has his share of skeletons - most of which the media is totally ignoring - and Obama, unfortunately, is the new kid on the block - the "black" boy who the media thinks is trying to start a revolution. Hmmm. Same shit, different day with McCain or give the upstart Obama a shot at starting our return to freedom. Dunno.

    Taxes are universally hated - both parties lie about the other's plans, corporations continue to dodge their share with offshore accounts and out-sourcing, and the rich roll their eyes at the not-rich complaining they have no more to give. Health care is a universal concern - heavens help we do anything constructive about that. Even our infant mortality rates are creeping upwards and life expectancies downward. Oil/gas prices keep rising, oil companies report record profits and laugh all the way to the latest vacation hideaway while our impotent, bought Congress enjoys paid time off. The White House approves more domestic spying - and why not? The courts feel obligated to kowtow to the president's office, and the public is too busy sulking to protest. Food, in probably the most abundant nation in the world, costs more and more - primarily due to artificial controls the govt put on certain commodities while supporting others to keep lobbyists happy. But that's ok - we'll pay and pay and pay because a man has to eat, right?

    WHAT DO YOU WANT? If you want "change" then find a way to start bringing it about. Every man is NOT an island, no matter what any of you think. MAKE IT HAPPEN.

    (There ya go, Quig. Universally lambasted everyone. Happy now?)
  18. RouteClearance

    RouteClearance Monkey+++

    FD, please relax and take a deep breath.

    First off I am not advocating giving up the struggle and just walking away, to the contrary, what we need to do is to try as hard as we can to wake up the masses (sheeple) to what is going on around them. The economy is now the biggest force that is causing the masses to sit up and take notice to all the events and shenanigians that the TPTB are up to. Ever since I redeployed last fall, I have had to deal with the biggest Clusterf^&k of all gov. agencies. The Department Of Veterans Affairs. Dealing with an organization that is supposed to help this nations vets instead of trying to make life even more difficult can put you in a very sour mood real fast.
    The VA has been taken to court over it's inefficeint management practices numerous times over the years. Those inefficiencies well documented and proven, and guess who the courts have sided with every time?
    FD, what alot of us here on this forum see is a "System" that is "Terminal", and barring a major miracle, the current system we live under now cannot be saved. It also does not mean that this nation will perish also. For that is the time to roll up our sleaves and do what it takes to step up to the plate and rebuild from the ground up what our founding fathers envisioned.
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    We can hope that is so. However, I fear that no one in the flock is looking for a real root cause. They will leap on whatever "news" story comes along laying the blame anywhere without questioning the source motivation. As one example among many, the ravings over "obscene" profits doesn't tell much about the difference between gross revenue and net to the stockholders. (Which is taxed twice, as I'm sure you know.)

    The sheep need to look further than the headlines and attention grabbing sound bites. [coffee2]

    (If they can with the education they seem to have missed out on.) [boozingbuddies]
  20. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    I love it ![beer]
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