Civil War II?

Maybe if a number of their key leader's fell ill with something just like "Cross Clinton terminal disease" .... it would put them into disarray and make them a lot less effective?

 

Well, he is making one assumption, over and over again, which is incorrect and that is we are not a free country, no matter how they sugar-coat it or what fairy tales they tell. And, once you realize this then everything falls into place.

As far as a Civil War...it's coming or something like it is coming. I would bet we will have several upheavals first, serious bloody ones, before we final get to a full Civil War but since 'violence begets violence', I'm probably wrong about that...

But, personally, I am fed up. So, I will say it. Yes, I am an advocate for Civil War or something that stops, once and for all, the erosion of this country's traditions, its founding principles, and its citizen's rights. There is so much wrong here that I could write all day and not begin to document it all. While the Constitution is an amazing document, written by genius, it has loopholes which our forefathers could not foresee and the 21st century traitors take advantage.

Frankly, I am so fed up that I would support a military coup because I trust the U.S. military much more than my own government. Horrible to say but, God help me, it is the truth.

 

It's all ready begun, the latest attacks upon our freedoms shows it to be ramping up in tempo and depth. They don't even bother lieing about it any more! Sad days ahead, but necessity drives it from both sides. Side A wants to push forward with it because it opens the financials and gets things aligned the way they need for whay ever you wanna call it, agenda21, NWO, Utopia, ECT. Side B knows it's comming, they have felt the subtle shift, and seen the lies for what they are. They took the red pill and have seen through their own eyes the changes and the removal of rights. I'm not going to type it all out, but it's YUGE! The 2nd is about the only defence side B has, and in order for us to be effective with it, we ether have to fight to the death to keep it, or fight to the death despite its loss, ether way, we will be fighting! In Several States, this has come under extremely focused attack, mandatory turn in, registration, capasity bans, the list is extensive. We as citizens must resist at all costs, we have a chance if we can stave off our States, but we have to be smart, and we have to be ready to fight any loss goin forward! I fear for my son's, both currently serving, both sort of out of the loop. I gear they will be orderd to do things they know to be wrong, worse, I fear they will not be able to stop what's comming from the inside, I know full well, there are officers who have been brain washed and or are blind enough to be manipulated by untruths to allow the Mil to be used against the citizens. Obummer made that even more possable with his Executive order allowing them to operate on our own soil! That alown should have got him strung up, but it was allowed to go forward.

There is a increase in chatter about foreign fighters all ready here, the so call3d sleeper cells, and while it may be a bit of tin foil, it may come to pass. I hadn't seen much personally to convince me of this, but all the same, it' now on my radar a little more! This November is going to be VERY telling, ether enough sheeple have awoken and see things for what they are and stop things at the ballot box, or we get well and truly trounced and things get Sporty after ward! I can' predict the future, but I can smell the blood allready! I'm frightened, but I'm also ready to go and do patriot shit!

 

Less of a set piece civil war than a series of genocides and a bunch of refugees fleeing to like-minded fragments of the Union, I expect.

I foresee a collapse, not unlike Yugoslavia most likely. Including the foreign peacekeepers

 

"I foresee a collapse, not unlike Yugoslavia most likely. Including the foreign peacekeepers"
I can agree that it could turn out much like Yugoslavia, neighbor killing neighbor, and with each death being a cause and effect for more and more death.

But, can't agree, about foreign peacekeepers here. First, the countries that have real soldiers wouldn't let them come (UK, Australia, Germany, France, etc.). Secondly, third-rate soldiers would be more trouble than they are worth and are totally unreliable. Finally, the sides that allows a foreign soldier onto this soil has lost the propaganda war, and by doing so, probably the war itself. I just cannot see this happening...

 

I'm in

 

Mercenaries ( Private contractors, Blackwater, Halliburton, et all ) combined with Obummers executive order will be the traitors we really need to watch out for! I'm fairly certain there will be LEO as well as other trouble makers acting out in this! The general rabble will be more an annoyance then any thing else, and will be quickly eliminated!

 

I've always assumed that an American Civil II would result in the Balkanization of the states. The northeast metros and their intercity corridors. Same for the west. The folks in the hill-towns of New York will starve Albany into submission, but there's still NYC. Central and eastern folks in CA, and the left armpit will split off from their cities. Bringing in blue helmets or other external forces would be a massive gamble, and while the city people my like the novelty for a time, any occupying force is always driven out if they can't actually conquer what they're occupying.
And the liberals in the cities that are pushing for this really, REALLY need to consider where their power water, and foodstuffs come from and who actually controls their datacomms. Those routers, even sat based links require power.
A complete Charlie-Foxtrot. I'll buy more ammo this evening on my way home...

 

@Ura-Ki "Mercenaries ( Private contractors, Blackwater, Halliburton, et all ) combined with Obummers executive order will be the traitors we really need to watch out for! I'm fairly certain there will be LEO as well as other trouble makers acting out in this!..."

You know, I never thought about Mercs until now. They indeed could be a problem...but again they might be a recruiting tool for the opposition, especially if they run amuck, as history has shown they always do when used in such a scenario. The first to come to mind are the 'Black & Tans'... As far as the LEOs - well - I wonder... There is a big difference between being a police officer catching the bad guys for a simple paycheck to put food on the table than certain death from a gun behind every blade of grass, leaving a widow and fatherless children.

 

Expect false flag operations to pit what should be allies against each other as well.

 

Please let it happen in winter.

 

Battle is not limited to the national arena, it is being fought and lost at the local level. Here in New Hampshire, the leftest green people have an effective veto over many things. Bring in immigrants, state and town said that they couldn't integrate nor pay for the ones already sent in, over ruled. build a new gas pipeline that would save about 1 billion a year, over ruled as it would promote fracking, build a transmission line to bring clean hydro power from Canada, over ruled as it would go thru a national forest along side a highway and discourage solar, build a wind farm, over ruled, it could be seen from a nature reserve, graffiti that said immigrants on welfare live here, true, called hate crime and jail last I heard, boycott your business because you won't hire unqualified minorities that you don't need, protected speech, oppose raising taxes to cover out of control police, educational and civil servant expenses, it is classified almost as a hate crime, read a newspaper, listen to a radio station, or watch TV and see anything but leftest anti gun, anti Trump, pro leftest agenda, good luck. Still some foot dragging in New Hampshire, but rest of New England is firmly under control of something other than a constitutional democracy. Those of us who disagree live in a police state that barely tolerates us now and is getting steadily more oppressive. They are taking all of our 2 nd amendment rights away, trying to limit home schooling and private property rights, limiting freedom of other than correct speech, etc. I would argue that in large sections of the country, urban California, Washington, Oregon, most of the urban central and eastern US urban areas, most educational institutions, etc, the battle is over and toleration and grey man are all that is left for us. The democraps will with their brainwashing and immigration policies soon receive over 50 % of the votes and they will cement their power by demonizing and marginalizing any one that doesn't totally support their policies and will only give up power after a revolution, either peaceful or violent. Their actions over the last 20 years of an organized program to de legitimize and limit any political, social, environmental, of economic action that they do not approve of is reaching a national tipping point and is already firmly established over much of the US.

 

That has allready taken place to an extent. The division of races has done so much damage as to be nearly impossible to undo in the time needed. That really saddens me, some of the very best out there are non whites, and I would be sorry not to have them at my side, shoulder to shoulder in the coming fight! A few of my good friends are Hispanic, and they don't make um any tougher then those guys, they are more then my friends, they are my brothers, we have eaten at each other's tables, cried together, and bleed together! And this is all the more reason to hold dearly to those friendships, we are going to need every one on the same team, and we need to work out what ever we can between us if were to have any chance at all!

 

I don't see a "Civil War" per se - that is to say an armed conflict between well defined groups. Please note my use of the word "Armed". It may not matter....

To be a bit more precise - James Fearon, a scholar of civil wars at Stanford University, defines a civil war as "a violent conflict within a country fought by organized groups that aim to take power at the center or in a region, or to change government policies".

Let me parse this definition :

a violent conflict within a country.
The US has been facing what is IMO, a "low order" type of ongoing warfare in major cities. I've noted this in many thread over the last couple of years.
A slow motion riot might come close to describe the issue set, but things can shift from 'slow-motion' to burning buildings is less than a few hours. This is nothing new, it has been, to some degree, seen in the US since 1948 or even 1943, depending on how you wish to frame the situation. |
What is different is both the breadth of the 'conflict' and the sheer number of 'players' in the conflict.
Gang-bangers anyone? They may be the least of your worries.

fought by organized groups -
you can't tell the players without a program.
List of criminal enterprises, gangs and syndicates - Wikipedia
List of gangs in the United States - Wikipedia - nothing new here, just a lot more, and more splinter groups to make up the mass.
Oh, just in case
Militia organizations in the United States - Wikipedia fringe lunatic or not, they exist.

and of course
List of designated terrorist groups - Wikipedia

feeling lonely? Don't be, there is more to come.

that aim to take power at the center or in a region,
List of active separatist movements in North America - Wikipedia
yup, already here and active for decades

or to change government policies.
The Voter's Self Defense System
yup, also been here for decades - and nothing new. Folks call 'em "Special Intreest groups" but they aim to change the Government - no matter if you agree or like/or not.-


So when people talk about the "next Civil War" I ask, what about the one we are in right now?

Maybe it is because I write 'disaster fiction' that I see things differently, can't say. But what I do see is the accelerating of the forces driving the shredding of a once peaceful Nation/society.

I do fear for my children and grandchildren..... All I can really do - is pray.

 

Don't let them out of the cities & 'burbs in the first place. Cut power first. That takes out water and sanitary services along with fuel, food, and most comms. The initial rush of refugees trying to get out will take care of the roads. Bottle them up in a Sarajevo writ large.

 

The isolated liberal enclaves will bring any number of blue helmets in to provide security. I don’t doubt that a bit

 

Warfare is always highly influenced by the best propaganda, Hitler came to power using that tool and the best example today is Syria. All of our attacks and biggest support of our reason for being there has always been the horrible use of poison gas. The Assad regime gave it up and we documented its destruction. Best estimate is around 2,000 of the 500,000 deaths in Syria were caused by poison gas. Several times attempts were made to stop the killing and all cases have been total failures as neither side will give up its demand to select who will control the government. The war is now a proxy conflict between several groups outside of the country. Without massive support from the US and its proxies, the civil war would have ended in weeks with a few hundred dead and a stable prosperous if un free Syria would exist. Without support from Russia and its proxies, the Assad regime would have collapsed in about a year with perhaps 100,000 dead and a somewhat viable country left. The same is true in Libya and several other of the Arab Spring countries that were either destroyed or became dictatorships controlled by the military or various religious groups. I would include Iraq in that group.
If we have a civil war in the US, the severity of it and its length will most likely be determined by outside power groups, Russia, the UN, and Mexico come to mind. Even our war for independence in the late 1700's was in actuality a continuation of the power struggle between England and France and without the supplies, money, and in the end French troops and navy, we would not have been successful in establishing our country. Some outside religious groups have indeed stated that their desired goal was to "defeat the great Satan". others wish to return the conquered lands back to Mexico control, then we have groups that wish racial groups in charge to repay past "sins" of the whites, or income redistribution and a new socialist paradise. None of these groups or tribes are willing to share power and resources, including the group that I hopefully belong to, so the future does not look bright and our greatest danger is that several of the groups think that they can "win". Brings to mind the old 1970 anti war cartoon. Two soldiers sitting in a foxhole cooking a rat on a M16 bayonet over a fire made of scrap wood and there is nothing in sight but bomb craters the ruins of a city and a bullet ridden Interstate 90 sign in the distance. One is saying to the other "The Captain said it is official, we won"!

 

Civil war is an oxymoron there is nothing civil about it, read about William Quantrill, William T. Anderson, John Mosby from the civil war that is what will happen with contractors lawdogs and local thugs some will go rabid.