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climate summit in dissarray after new plan leaks!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Tango3, Dec 8, 2009.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    hardy har har har...[ROFL]


    Copenhagen climate summit in disarray after 'Danish text' leak

    Developing countries react furiously to leaked draft agreement that would hand more power to rich nations, sideline the UN's negotiating role and abandon the Kyoto protocol

    Read the 'Danish text'
    In pictures: Copenhagen day two

    [​IMG] The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents. Photograph: Attila Kisbenedek/AFP/Getty Images

    The UN Copenhagen climate talks are in disarray today after developing countries reacted furiously to leaked documents that show world leaders will next week be asked to sign an agreement that hands more power to rich countries and sidelines the UN's role in all future climate change negotiations.
    The document is also being interpreted by developing countries as setting unequal limits on per capita carbon emissions for developed and developing countries in 2050; meaning that people in rich countries would be permitted to emit nearly twice as much under the proposals.
    The so-called Danish text, a secret draft agreement worked on by a group of individuals known as "the circle of commitment" – but understood to include the UK, US and Denmark – has only been shown to a handful of countries since it was finalised this week.
    The agreement, leaked to the Guardian, is a departure from the Kyoto protocol's principle that rich nations, which have emitted the bulk of the CO2, should take on firm and binding commitments to reduce greenhouse gases, while poorer nations were not compelled to act. The draft hands effective control of climate change finance to the World Bank; would abandon the Kyoto protocol – the only legally binding treaty that the world has on emissions reductions; and would make any money to help poor countries adapt to climate change dependent on them taking a range of actions.


    whatafarce! a look inside by the "Guardian u.k.":
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    hehehe. All those that use the 1200 limos and 140 corporate jets won't feel quite as guilty.
  3. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Well, that silly Kyoto Protocol should have NEVER seen the light of day. Good riddance.
    I read this as the Third World getting PO'd because they thought they had the 'rich' nations by the short&curlies, but have found out they DON'T!!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.......!!! [lolol]

    Sorry, but this is some of the best news I've heard come of this Climate Scam in a long time......... [winkthumb]
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    They ( climate preachers have been duped. how much more obvious does it need to be for them to wake up!) the elite are going to do as they damn well please. WE of course are scrood!
    It's about control and power not saving polar bears and island nations.

  5. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Saw this on Drudge and thought it was pretty good. I remember all the hype in the early 70's over the coming ice age.

    The Fiction Of Climate Science
    Gary Sutton, 12.04.09, 10:00 AM EST
    Why the climatologists get it wrong.

    Many of you are too young to remember, but in 1975 our government pushed "the coming ice age."
    Random House dutifully printed "THE WEATHER CONSPIRACY … coming of the New Ice Age." This may be the only book ever written
    by 18 authors. All 18 lived just a short sled ride from Washington, D.C. Newsweek fell in line and did a cover issue warning us of global cooling on April 28, 1975. And The New York Times, Aug. 14, 1976, reported "many signs that Earth may be headed for another ice age."

    OK, you say, that's media. But what did our rational scientists say?
    In 1974, the National Science Board announced: "During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade. Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end…leading into the next ice age."

    You can't blame these scientists for sucking up to the fed's mantra du jour. Scientists live off grants. Remember how Galileo recanted his preaching about the earth revolving around the sun? He, of course, was about to be barbecued by his leaders. Today's scientists merely lose their cash flow. Threats work.

    In 2002 I stood in a room of the Smithsonian. One entire wall charted the cooling of our globe over the last 60 million years. This was no straight line. The curve had two steep dips followed by leveling. There were no significant warming periods. Smithsonian scientists inscribed it across some 20 feet of plaster, with timelines.

    Last year, I went back. That fresco is painted over. The same curve hides behind smoked glass, shrunk to three feet but showing the same cooling trend. Hey, why should the Smithsonian put its tax-free status at risk? If the politicians decide to whip up public fear in a different direction, get with it, oh ye subsidized servants. Downplay that embarrassing old chart and maybe nobody will notice.

    Sorry, I noticed.

    It's the job of elected officials to whip up panic. They then get re-elected. Their supporters fall in line.
    Al Gore thought he might ride his global warming crusade back toward the White House. If you saw his movie, which opened showing cattle on his farm, you start to understand how shallow this is. The United Nations says that cattle, farting and belching methane, create more global warming than all the SUVs in the world. Even more laughably, Al and his camera crew flew first class for that film, consuming 50% more jet fuel per seat-mile than coach fliers, while his Tennessee mansion sucks as much carbon as 20 average homes.

    His PR folks say he's "carbon neutral" due to some trades. I'm unsure of how that works, but, maybe there's a tribe in the Sudan that cannot have a campfire for the next hundred years to cover Al's energy gluttony. I'm just not sophisticated enough to know how that stuff works. But I do understand he flies a private jet when the camera crew is gone.

    The fall of Saigon in the '70s may have distracted the shrill pronouncements about the imminent ice age. Science's prediction of "A full-blown, 10,000 year ice age," came from its March 1, 1975 issue. The Christian Science Monitor observed that armadillos were retreating south from Nebraska to escape the "global cooling" in its Aug. 27, 1974 issue.
    That armadillo caveat seems reminiscent of today's tales of polar bears drowning due to glaciers disappearing.

    While scientists march to the drumbeat of grant money, at least trees don't lie. Their growth rings show what's happened no matter which philosophy is in power. Tree rings show a mini ice age in Europe about the time Stradivarius crafted his violins. Chilled Alpine Spruce gave him tighter wood so the instruments sang with a new purity. But England had to give up the wines that the Romans cultivated while our globe cooled, switching from grapes to colder weather grains and learning to take comfort with beer, whisky and ales.

    Yet many centuries earlier, during a global warming, Greenland was green. And so it stayed and was settled by Vikings for generations until global cooling came along. Leif Ericsson even made it to Newfoundland. His shallow draft boats, perfect for sailing and rowing up rivers to conquer villages, wouldn't have stood a chance against a baby iceberg.

    Those sustained temperature swings, all before the evil economic benefits of oil consumption, suggest there are factors at work besides humans.

    Today, as I peck out these words, the weather channel is broadcasting views of a freakish and early snow falling on Dallas. The Iowa state extension service reports that the record corn crop expected this year will have unusually large kernels, thanks to "relatively cool August and September temperatures." And on Jan. 16, 2007, NPR went politically incorrect, briefly, by reporting that "An unusually harsh winter frost, the worst in 20 years, killed much of the California citrus, avocados and flower crops."

    To be fair, those reports are short-term swings. But the longer term changes are no more compelling, unless you include the ice ages, and then, perhaps, the panic attempts of the 1970s were right. Is it possible that if we put more CO2 in the air, we'd forestall the next ice age?

    I can ask "outrageous" questions like that because I'm not dependent upon government money for my livelihood. From the witch doctors of old to the elected officials today, scaring the bejesus out of the populace maintains their status.

    Sadly, the public just learned that our scientific community hid data and censored critics. Maybe the feds should drop this crusade and focus on our health care crisis. They should, of course, ignore the life insurance statistics that show every class of American and both genders are living longer than ever. That's another inconvenient fact.

    Gary Sutton is co-founder of Teledesic and has been CEO of several other companies, including Knight Protective Industries and @Backup.
  6. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    The Copenhagen Summit - just the latest Dog&Pony Show from the Useless Nations, nothing more than a latter-day Three Stooges comedy on steroids. Mindless entertainment for the unwashed masses.

  7. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    You know what really gets my blood pressure up?
    Here we are branded as right wing extremist domestic terrorists, and all we really want is to be left alone to follow our own dreams. Less government interference with our lives, and lower taxes ....
    Then we have these Left leaning tree huggers that care more about every natural shift in the wind, than caring about their fellow man.
    We are demonized as being violent dangerous individuals who are not to be trusted. What a laugh. Just leave us alone and there is no problem!!!
    Our protests are 99.9 percent peaceful, lawful events.
    Not so the other side.........
    <cite class="vcard">By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writers John Heilprin, Associated Press Writers </cite>– <abbr class="recenttimedate" title="2009-12-12T15:06:48-0800">18 mins ago</abbr>
    <!-- end .byline -->COPENHAGEN – Tens of thousands of protesters marched through the chilly Danish capital and nearly 1,000 were detained Saturday in a mass rally to demand an ambitious global climate pact, just as talks hit a snag over rich nations' demands on China and other emerging economies.
    The mostly peaceful demonstrations in Copenhagen provided the centerpiece of a day of global climate activism stretching from Europe to Asia. Police assigned extra officers to watch protesters marching toward the suburban conference center to demand that leaders act now to fight climate change.
    Police estimated their numbers at 40,000, while organizers said as many as 100,000 had joined the march from downtown Copenhagen. It ended with protesters holding aloft candles and torches as they swarmed by night outside the Bella Center where the 192-nation U.N. climate conference is being held.
    There have been a couple of minor protests over the past week, but Saturday's was by far the largest.
    Police said they rounded up 968 in a preventive action against a group of youth activists at the tail end of the demonstration. Officers in riot gear moved in when some of the activists, masked their faces, threw cobblestones through the windows of the former stock exchange and Foreign Ministry buildings. A police officer received minor injuries when he was hit by a rock thrown from the group and one protester was injured by fireworks, police spokesman Flemming Steen Munch said.

    So here is a prime example of the left leaning young, Kumbaya Crowd going violent, but we the ones who know the Law, and how the Government is in violation of the Constitution, but yet we are the ones Demonized.
    Go flappin figure that one out??? [dunno] [flag]seesaw

  8. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Well, it may be because those 100,000 Liberal protesters can 'outvote' the millions of us peace-loving Conservatives - they can vote a lot more often........... :rolleyes:
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