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Concealed guns law rejected in close Senate vote

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Quigley_Sharps, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    1. Concealed guns law rejected in close Senate vote AP - 9 minutes ago</STRONG>
    2. WASHINGTON - The Senate on Wednesday rejected letting people carry hidden guns in 48 states if they have a concealed weapon permit in any one of them, a rare victory for gun control advocates in a Democratic-controlled Congress that has been friendly to the gun lobby.

  2. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    NY lost the one and only opportunity they had for me to go to their God forsaken city and spend gobs of money on tourism. After my mom went to NY city for a week of tourism, my wife wanted to go see Broadway, Statue Of Liberty, etc. I said before I would never go, if I could have carried there I would have probably changed my mind. Now they will never know. Same for Chicago. They just cost themselves a lot of money, I am not the only one that thinks this way.
  3. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    'Gun rights' defeat may have political repercussions
    Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 7/23/2009 8:00:00 AM
    The Libertarian Party is urging voters to hold 39 senators accountable at the ballot box for voting yesterday against their gun rights.
    Yesterday the Senate fell two votes short of the 60 needed to pass an amendment to the Defense Authorization bill that would have allowed people with concealed carry permits in their states to carry guns in all other states that have concealed carry laws. Fifty-eight senators, including Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nevada), supported the amendment; 39 voted against, including Republicans Dick Lugar (Indiana) and George Voinovich (Ohio). (See roll call vote)

    Donny Ferguson, communications director for the Libertarian National Committee, says he is troubled that 39 senators believe Americans' constitutional rights end at the state line.


  4. CraftyMofo

    CraftyMofo Monkey+++

    Does anyone else have mixed feelings about this from a state's-rights perspective? I hate to see any pro-gun bill go down, but this one seemed to be the Feds telling individual states that their gun laws don't matter.
  5. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    While I like the idea of across the board, good in any state permits, I prefer that the states work out reciprocity. I don't want to advocate a federal level permit, that is just wrong, even tho' good for gun rights. The bill, as I read it, simply says that if it is good in one state, then it is good in another so long as the other has permits too. So what's the difference between that and reciprocity beyond the lack of current reciprocity?
  6. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    If I understand it correctly it was not to be able to carry in any state but only a reciprocity in states that allow concealed carry. So it wouldn't be forcing states to accept concealed carry if they didn' want it.
    Just like a drivers license or marriage license. It is legal in any state. The exception to this would be like same sex marriage. If it is legal in one state but not in another you cannot force that state to accept it. Same for states without concealed carry.
  7. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    there already is a great deal of reciprocity going on. problem is, is that it is in no way uniform. you must be totally aware of the different rules so as to not run afoul of the law. there is a paperback book that is updated anually you can buy that gives pretty up to date info, and phone numbers listed to be positive before you travel. it is a good book. i will find the info and repost that after work today.... this afternoon.
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    There is a page on the NRA site that has reciprocity info that is kept more or less up to date. Not too hard to find, and despite the disclaimers, seems pretty accurate. As we know, things change, so check before you cross the border.
  9. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    "Gun Laws of the 50 States" by Alan Korwin. Updated yearly. Printed in a booklet about like a road atlas size. The difinitive source for gun laws. I keep a copy in my truck and check the laws in each state I am traveling through. I will find and add a link later.

    http://www.gunlaws.com Alan Korwins "Page Nine" newsletter is a must have for gun owners. I highly recommend it.

    I was just browsing the website. This is the book that I have.

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Traveler's Guide to the
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Laws of the Fifty States[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

  10. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

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