constitution free zones? aclu

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tango3, Oct 23, 2008.


  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    http://www.aclu.org/privacy/37293res20081022.html

    map of affected areas.: http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/areyoulivinginaconstitutionfreezone.html
    (scrolldown 1/2page)

    within 100 miles of the borders/coasts are "constitution free zones".:shock:taser1


    Fact Sheet on U.S. "Constitution Free Zone"<!--EmailTitle End-->

    The problem


    • Normally under the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the American people are not generally subject to random and arbitrary stops and searches.
    • The border, however, has always been an exception. There, the longstanding view is that the normal rules do not apply. For example the authorities do not need a warrant or probable cause to conduct a “routine search.”
    • But what is “the border”? According to the government, it is a 100-mile wide strip that wraps around the “external boundary” of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
    • As a result of this claimed authority, individuals who are far away from the border, American citizens traveling from one place in America to another, are being stopped and harassed in ways that our Constitution does not permit.
    • Border Patrol has been setting up checkpoints inland — on highways in states such as California, Texas and Arizona, and at ferry terminals in Washington State. Typically, the agents ask drivers and passengers about their citizenship. Unfortunately, our courts so far have permitted these kinds of checkpoints – legally speaking, they are “administrative” stops that are permitted only for the specific purpose of protecting the nation’s borders. They cannot become general drug-search or other law enforcement efforts.
    • However, these stops by Border Patrol agents are not remaining confined to that border security purpose. On the roads of California and elsewhere in the nation – places far removed from the actual border – agents are stopping, interrogating, and searching Americans on an everyday basis with absolutely no suspicion of wrongdoing.
    • The bottom line is that the extraordinary authorities that the government possesses at the border are spilling into regular American streets.
    Much of U.S. population affected


    • Many Americans and Washington policymakers believe that this is a problem confined to the San Diego-Tijuana border or the dusty sands of Arizona or Texas, but these powers stretch far inland across the United States.
    • To calculate what proportion of the U.S. population is affected by these powers, the ACLU created a map and spreadsheet showing the population and population centers that lie within 100 miles of any “external boundary” of the United States.
    • The population estimates were calculated by examining the most recent <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> census numbers for all counties within 100 miles of these borders. Using numbers from the Population Distribution Branch of the US Census Bureau, we were able to estimate both the total number and a state-by-state population breakdown. The custom map was created with help from a map expert at World Sites Atlas.
    • What we found is that fully TWO-THIRDS of the United States’ population lives within this Constitution-free or Constitution-lite Zone. That’s 197.4 million people who live within 100 miles of the US land and coastal borders.
    • Nine of the top 10 largest metropolitan areas as determined by the 2000 census, fall within the Constitution-free Zone. (The only exception is #9, Dallas-Fort Worth. ) Some states are considered to lie completely within the zone: Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island and Vermont.
    Part of a broader problem


    • The spread of border-search powers inland is part of a broad expansion of border powers with the potential to affect the lives of ordinary Americans who have never left their own country.
    • It coincides with the development of numerous border technologies, including watch list and database systems such as the Automated Targeting System (ATS) traveler risk assessment program, identity and tracking systems such as electronic (RFID) passports, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI), and intrusive technological schemes such as the Secure Border Initiative Network (SBINet) or “virtual border fence” and unmanned aerial vehicles (aka “drone aircraft”).
    • This illegitimate expansion of the extraordinary powers of agents at the border is also part of a general trend we have seen over the past 8 years of an untrammeled, heedless expansion of police and national security powers without regard to the effect on innocent Americans.
    • This trend is also typical of the Bush Administration’s dragnet approach to law enforcement and national security. Instead of intelligent, competent, targeted efforts to stop terrorism, illegal immigration, and other crimes, what we have been seeing in area after area is an approach that turns us all into suspects. This approach seeks to sift through the entire U.S. population in the hopes of encountering the rare individual whom the authorities have a legitimate interest in.

    If the current generation of Americans does not challenge this creeping (and sometimes galloping) expansion of federal powers over the individual through the rationale of “border protection,” we are not doing our part to keep alive the rights and freedoms that we inherited, and will soon find that we have lost some or all of their right to go about their business, and travel around inside their own country, without interference from the authorities.
     
  2. eeyore

    eeyore Monkey++

    This is something that should be shouted out. But sadly most people just won't care. They will think they are safer because of it. Sad indeed
     
  3. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I never considered the lake michigan coasts as part of the "border", in fact I've taken the ferry from luddington mi, to manitowoc wi and according to this map left and re-enterred the us with no paper work asked for.Somethings not right with their claim.
     
  4. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    The writer's tinfoil hat is on too tight. This would make the WHOLE of Florida a "Constitution Free Zone" - and that is BS. Well, maybe on Election Day..... [ROFL]
     
  5. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    Lol, I noticed that too. Sorry FL. you guys chose to live in the Hurricane Alley/ ACLU proclaimed "Constitution free zone" Your best bet is to move in with Tango bot here and live in the freedom in...that place where..he...ya know...resides.
     
  6. Byte

    Byte Monkey+++

    I experienced this first hand myself a few weeks ago. Went to Las Cruces, NM for work and on my way back up to Albuquerque I noticed at least 5 'Border Check Stations'. They cone off all lanes and route all traffic through these mandatory check points. Thankfully only one was operating the day I was on the road. Had my handgun & one of my 'toys' on board. In full compliance with NM law but hell when LEO's see citizens with 'toys' they tend to get overly anctious and lose most of their sense of duty to server and protect. Glad they didn't initiate a search. Not sure how I would of reacted to a statement by them that my 4th amendment rights didn't count for squat at their checkpoints. I'll have to ponder that one some more.

    I was like...wtf? But hey, whatever right? It is for our own protection, afterall!

    Byte
     
  7. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    Please oh Please tell me that you were being sarcastic with this remark. Its almost like "Its to protect our children" remark. ughh... gives me the shivers.
    If you havent noticed, the more we "protect" our children, the more they grow up all cracked out and messed up.

    I say let your children do dumb, dangerous things. Not fatal things, but dangerous things. They will learn FAR more that way then putting up caution signs and safety zones.
     
  8. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Not to mention fat and wussified. There is yet hope, not all go down that road, just more than half.
     
  9. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    wait TIL the borders are erased , then there'll just be the occasional random border checks every where just to see where everybody is today....
     
  10. Byte

    Byte Monkey+++

    Lol yeah, CBMS...I was choking on my own sarcasm it was spewing out of me so thick.

    And for the record...it's 'chilrens'! Anything for the chilrens! Maybe we start with some more exercise and no xbox...oh wait I think there might be a bill about to pass somewhere that would make that chilren abuse! Oh I slay me with the funnies!

    Byte

    Good thing I am not a parent. I'd be in jail for parenting...
     
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