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Cop Advocates Shooting Open Carry Citizens

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by melbo, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    East Palo Alto cop takes heat for Facebook remarks that advocate shooting Open Carry gun advocates.

    By Jessica Bernstein-Wax

    Daily News Staff Writer

    An East Palo Alto police detective is taking heat in online forums for allegedly posting comments from his Facebook account that advocate shooting Open Carry gun advocates.

    Detective Rod Tuason apparently made the remarks in response to a friend's status update, which joked that gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons in plain view as a political statement should start doing so in places such as Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto "and not limit themselves to hoity toity cities."

    "Haha, we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied, referring to a Redwood City man who strolled into the Mi Pueblo Food Center in East Palo Alto on Jan. 27 with a gun on his hip. "He got proned out and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"

    After several more comments in the thread, Tuason apparently joked that officers should shoot the advocates, who have made recent headlines throughout the Bay Area for sipping coffee at cafes and performing other everyday acts with visible weapons.

    "Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night!" Tuason wrote. "Should've pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement ... 2 weeks off!!!"

    It's unclear when Tuason made the comments, but they attracted the attention of gun rights advocates after blogger and lawyer Kevin Thomason posted a screen grab of the thread and a link to Tuason's Facebook
    page on his Web site Sunday.

    "East Palo Alto, CA Detective Roderick Tuason didn't realize that actual PRO-GUN people also read Facebook," Thomason said in the post. "Amazingly, he posted the following comment about law abiding gun owners on a friend's page. Basically, he's saying 'prone them out' (on the ground), and if anyone moves, kill them."

    Thomason urged his readers to contact East Palo Alto council members to complain. Reached by phone Monday, Thomason said he wanted to comment but couldn't because he works with a nonprofit foundation that wouldn't want him to speak publicly on the matter.

    California Penal Code bars carrying concealed weapons without a county-issued license but says it isn't a crime to openly display a firearm in a belt holster. However, it remains illegal for the gun to be loaded in most cases.

    While residents who carry unloaded, registered guns in plain view aren't breaking any laws, police have said the practice is dangerous because officers can't tell whether a gun is loaded and what an armed person's intentions are.

    Tuason didn't return a phone message seeking comment Monday. But East Palo Alto police Capt. Carl Estelle said the department's professional standards division is looking into the Facebook remarks to see if they violate any rules or policies.

    "We have to be careful because they're on his own personal private Web page," Estelle said. "We have to be careful not to violate his First Amendment rights."

    The department hasn't taken action against Tuason, and the detective was working in uniform Monday, he said.

    "In no way are his personal comments reflective of any policies or procedures here at the department, nor does he speak for the police department," Estelle said.

    Meanwhile, Tuason's Facebook comments had sparked a 45-page thread on the Web site Calguns.net Monday afternoon. A user with the handle .45shooter claiming to be either Tuason or the detective's Facebook friend who posted the original status update — the identity wasn't clear from the post — apologized to site members and said he was a Second Amendment advocate himself.

    "Sometimes sacastic or off color humor should be best kept in the confines of those you can confide in," the poster wrote. "I forgot the golden rule of whos watching and listenting to you! I know i ruffled alot of feathers by making that comment! But as a person i did not mean no harm to anyone. Those that know me know my form of humor after all i'm a former Marine!"

    Mark Hudson, a San Mateo resident and Second Amendment supporter, said that while he isn't part of the Open Carry movement, he saw the post on Calguns and Tuason's comments offended him.

    "The reason people are open carrying is because in San Mateo County they're unable to get concealed carry permits," Hudson said. "This East Palo Alto policeman basically said he would shoot you in the back — a law abiding citizen exercising their Second Amendment rights. ... You're going to invite law enforcement into your life when you open carry. That's why I don't do it."
  2. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    And so, private citizens see a plain clothes cop carrying, they should load their weps and prone him out until a uniformed cop shows up? That guy should be in the bag permanently. Kinda interesting that the Kali folks are at least making the visible moves. Good for them, it is a start to re-humanizing that poor excuse for a habitat for humanity.
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    1. His comments are no longer "personal" when they are displayed on the internet in public forums.
    2. He may not reflect the departments 'policies', but he certainly does carry out its procedures every single day by "proning" law abiding citizens who open carry. It is an abuse of power, and in fact, such power was never delegated to him by the People to begin with.
    3. This man is still an example of the police department -he MUST be held to higher standards than a civilian, because he is NOT a civilian. He deserves to be unemployed just for his attitude and childish behavior. I wouldn't want this piece of trash patrolling my streets.
  4. E.L.

    E.L. Moderator of Lead Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    I would imagine that in kalifornia and in larger cities most cops are not gun people nor advocates of the 2nd Amendment. When people in a position of power state things of this sort they need to be called out, they should be given the "Jim Zumbo Treatment" and it should cost them their jobs.
  5. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    He being an agent of the government,and the 2nd amendment expressly written to allow me to have a firearm to protect my self from the GOVERNMENT> Should be allow to protect myself from him, especially if my life feels threatend.

    Could the 2nd be interpreted in that way?
  6. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Hard case to make, but might work if there are uninvolved witnesses that testify that he didn't identify himself. I'd not want to try that, tho' --
  7. SLugomist

    SLugomist Monkey++

    I agree, but the statment does provoke a certain angle not referenced much.
  8. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    That a-hole cop needs to be fired immediately. It does not matter if he was joking or not. People have such bad attitudes about cops anymore and these kind of comments sure don't help things. I love Capt. Estelle's comment, "We have to be careful not to violate his First Amendment rights." Well what about my rights to not be harassed by the cops and maybe killed for exercising my 2nd A rights??? I used to live in the bay area and when I was there EPAPD was the bottom of the barrel PD in that area, so it figures comments like that would come out of that department.
  9. OzarkSaints

    OzarkSaints Monkey++

    if his personal comments made on his private property or however the hell they put it, woulda been saying that is how civil rights minority protesters should be treated, I'd bet all I own that the department woulda responded very differrently to his comments......
  10. Sherman

    Sherman Dog Eat Dog

    Time to start open carrying my AR
  11. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    He starts doing that down here, HE will get "proned out" in a most permanent way. [loco]

    Makes me wish Florida had Open Carry....... maddd
  12. Sherman

    Sherman Dog Eat Dog

    I visited our local 2A website and there is a big backlash building. People that do not usually support the open carry guys are insensed. I think there is a huge open carry rally being organized not to mention a letter wrting campaign to elected officials etc.
  13. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

    If a Facebook comment can get kids suspended or expelled from school or other programs, why is it Freedom of Speech in this instance?
  14. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Because only politically correct speach is allowed now. Lord Obama and his minions are making the rules as they go. The Constitution..... we don't need no stinking constitution anymore. BOHICA folks.
    Are you mad enough to fight yet?
  15. BigO01

    BigO01 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    Well I would like to take this oppertunity to remind any and all cops with these sorts of attitudes that most of us didn't start shooting as late in life as they did as in only when we joined either the police force or military , for me it was at the tender age of 6 .

    I am quite confident if it comes down to a shootout with me and a member of the government I have quite an edge when it comes to expierence with guns and shooting everything from matches with a 22 rimfire to live animals on the run
    and a whole bunch in between .
    So next time some damn fool wants to get pushy just because he thinks his badge and gun will keep him safe someone might want to politely reminded him he'll fit just as nicely in a drawer in the morgue just as easily as we will .

    If you don't like my Second Amendment Right and willingness to exercise it you have the right to express your opinion but you might want to keep in mind it would be a good idea to do so in a polite manner or I might just settle the matter in a less than polite way !
  16. Sherman

    Sherman Dog Eat Dog

  17. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    +1 Started shooting at age 7.
  18. 44044

    44044 Monkey++

    Got my first rifle when I was tall enough to keep both ends off the ground.
  19. snowbyrd

    snowbyrd Latet anguis in herba

    [yukface] on the run? sad, very sad
  20. Badger+Beaver

    Badger+Beaver Monkey+

    This guy would have a cow if he came to the small town I live in. Guns everywhere! Rifle racks, on hips, conealed etc. My wife grew up in the PRC and still has a hard time believing it's ok to have guns in the open. For me, it's just another part of life. Of course it's all a matter of what you're used to, and I'm sure this cop grew up there in the PRC, and has been thoroughly brain-washed!
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