Couple of "toss'n" boot type knives for a Monkey

Discussion in 'Bushcraft' started by Bear, Dec 27, 2014.


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  1. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Aloha Monkeys,

    I bet this particular Monkey thought I forgot about these.... ;)

    Well got them profiled and ground... high carbon of course....
    double edged, full convex... ready for heat treat.... final touches and sharpening after heat treat...

    These will treated so they can take the punishment of throwing....

    Holes drilled for a paracord grip or I will be providing a simple scale along with scale screws that work with a simple hex key (no hard to find torx etc...) ... this will allow the scales to be taken off and put back on... or to pretty up the knife with any special materials the Monkey wants...

    @16 degree edge for all around chores as well....

    Sterile.... no markings....

    Yeah... you're not supposed to throw your knife.... that's why there are two ;) and it's just so much fun sometimes to toss and hear that satisfying "thunk"....

    Jungle fun... I will also be giving them a very special treatment to take on any "ninja" beasties ( ;) @Hanzo ) that may harass out Monkey in their daily doings....

    Hope you enjoy...

    God Bless

    Bear

    PS... could said Monkey please contact me about these... yeah I'm old, fat and lazy and don't want to go through all my conversations to find you ;)

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  2. Hanzo

    Hanzo Monkey+++


    Very nice, @Bear!
     
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  3. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    Very nice Bear... just what the doctor ordered :)
     
  4. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    You do nice work, Bear.
     
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  5. KAS

    KAS Monkey++

    dam fine work....!!!!!
    did you sharpen them on the 599$ sharpener? lol

    id like to see them when they put what ever handles on them ...
     
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  6. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I have several Gil Hibbens throwing knives and a host of Old Hickory butcher knives that are excellent throwers. Knife throwing has been a life-time sport starting with Chicken, Stretch, and mumble the peg, when I was a kid. Hell, even our principal played stretch with us at recess in elementary school. I guess I will get in line for a set of these.
     
  7. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Thanks for all the kind comments guys... these were actually pretty fun to do...

    @Seacowboys I always loved throwing knives... had a couple of the Gil Hibbens, as well as some EK as others... seems like we were always throwing things and trying to make them stick.... must be growing up on all those war shows like "Combat" and the cowboy and indian shows as well... seems like someone was always throwing a knife at the enemy ;)

    Already had two inquiries on these... so I'll be making up a few more sets... interesting that not everyone wants double edged....

    Anyway... Thanks for the comments and the trip down memory lane :)

    Take Care and God Bless,

    Bear
     
  8. Hanzo

    Hanzo Monkey+++


    Single edge is probably safer. as well as less likely to run afoul with the law.
     
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  9. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Double edged knives are not legal everywhere. The length of the cutting edge could get the owner in trouble as well, as knives lengths are regulated.
     
  10. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Nice thing about Alabama is that you can carry pretty much any concealed weapon you want and the most you'll get from the police is maybe a question about where they can get one.
     
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  11. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

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  12. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Aloha Monkeys,

    Got some work done on these today... Heat treating and tempering for throwing is different from your normal knife....

    I did not use an oven as I was discussed with @Hanzo, more and more I am trying to develop that old time skill of heat treating in the dark by color and eye... and tempering the same way... after a ton of tools... you sort of get the hand of things...

    Feels good to do it the old way... well sort of... I still use a propane forge I built just for heat treating blades... coal is hard to come by here in Hawaii and charcoal makes to many sparks and too much smoke [​IMG]

    Pics tell the story... first out of the quench...

    Then after tempering... I use the same forge I built for both...

    After straightening... the final test... especially since these are throwing knives... squeeze and hope time! @Yard Dart will like these pics....

    Took pics before the "stress test"....

    A six foot drop straight to the concrete floor in my shop... (and no I don't recommend throwing or dropping your tools at or on concrete [​IMG] ) gotta stand on a stool and use a tape measure for consistency... they both left about a 1/8 inch divot in the shop floor on each drop [​IMG]

    Always check after the first drop for damage and if there isn't any... I drop each blade two more times and check after each....

    I think these passed my "3 six foot drops to concrete" test and happy the heat treat I figured for these worked out... [​IMG] should take the punishment of throwing and still hold an edge the way I want them to...

    So I'll finish them up and sharpen them for the member....

    Weight is about 1/2 lb. each without the scales or screws....

    Thanks for looking... as always, comments, thoughts and ideas are welcome.

    Happy New Year Everyone!

    My best to you and yours that all your 2015 hopes, dreams and wishes come true!

    God Bless and Take Care,

    Bear

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  13. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Are you approaching bainite microstructure?
     
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  14. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey..... Moderator Site Supporter++

    They look perfect... Your skills and craftsmanship are amazing Bear!!
     
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  15. Hanzo

    Hanzo Monkey+++



    Nice, @Bear! That is usual for what you make.... Very sweet and first rate. I like the look and the color. Would make for stealth throwing in the dark.
     
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  16. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    LOL @ghrit ... yeah... most are looking for that right transformation to martensite... I'm a hybrid guy looking for the super bainite similar to what they produce in the UK and use for tank armor etc... but without the long (12-14 hour) soak times or secret alloying ... I just use some of @Hanzo 's colorful jello to quench off camera ;)

    Thanks for the comment... most unexpected that anyone would even mention it...

    Thanks for the kind comment @Yard Dart
    This old fart monkey is trying to master the old ways... without the computer aided furnaces and super unobtainium alloys... simple carbon steels, fire, sweat, muscle, some blood and an occasional tear ... like our blacksmithing forefathers had mastered... knowing the feel of the movement of the steel under your hammer, watching the colors of the steel in dim light, listening to sound of the quench in the oil or water... listening to the sound of the steel.... learning to discipline my own thoughts and experiences with what I read ... an still be open to change and to innovate...

    And thanks @Hanzo for the kind words as well... LOL... yeah that coloration are the oxides that form on the steel when it is heated... it will be ground off when I finish the blade... to a nice shiny satin... it would probably look awesome with a blued finish to meet your "discrete" carry suggestion... but that will be up to the new owner...

    Today was a good day... after all the practice and study ... I got it right in my humble opinion... and I feel pretty good about this last heat treat of 2014 and this tool I made....

    I hope everyone's 2015 is full of the same feeling of accomplishment... and getting whatever "it" is ... right... throughout the year!

    Happy New Year Monkeys!

    Be Safe and God Bless,

    Bear
     
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  17. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    Had some time before and after the annual big family lunch ....
    Knives are all cleaned up ... smoothed everything down to a nice 220.... ready to shape the scales, counterbore for the screws, file in a notch to make sharpening easier and these puppies are done! ;)
    Oh and yeah... last step... sharpen to a nice razor edge....
    Happy New Year! Monkeys...
    God Bless and Take Care,
    Bear

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  18. Hanzo

    Hanzo Monkey+++


    Nice. as always, my friend! They remind me of baby Roman Gladius(es?).
     
  19. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    A few more progress pics for those that are following ;)

    Finished the first set of removeable scales and taking a break....
    One more set of black linen micarta (stable thinner material for easy or discreet carrying) scales to finish up... left smooth with very light texture for easy release....

    special counter sunk black oxide, heat treated, stainless steel bolts with just the right depth and tension to hold the scales... standard 15/64th width and simple hex key take down so you have an option to wrap paracord for an outing(international orange of course so you can find it after it bounces off your target and into the brush) ... and also if you want to drill and fit with your own special scales bolts do not require special sized drills or tools to remove and put back... easy maintenance...

    After that... just need to touch up the points and finish sharpen ;)

    Mini Roman Gladius' is a good description @Hanzo .... I kinda like how these came out ;)

    Thanks for looking Monkeys,

    Bear

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  20. Bear

    Bear Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++ Founding Member Iron Monkey

    All done!

    Made a mistake earlier when I said these were @16 degrees for all around chores... duh... these are throwing hard use knives...
    These are more like 26 degrees with a convex and razor sharp edge... not a great slicer or whittling blade... but then ... you're gonna throw it into something and then pry it out so... or maybe shove it into something, then twist and rip it out ... well you know... Bear Tough Tools ;) Think axe in knife form ;)
    Not sure the Monkey who talked to me about these want's a blade like that... we will see shortly.... but I sure don't mind keeping these either ... Lol....

    Functional, Fugly and Tough..... (I really wanted to toss them a few times and do at least a few more drops... but I'll let the new owner do that and let me know how they do ;) )

    This was fun... learned a lot and these have the distinction of being the First Blades of 2015.... ;)

    Thanks for stopping by and taking a look...

    Oh and better let me know if you don't want @Hanzo to "fondle" them and add "hanzo essense" before they go out ;)

    Have a great weekend everyone!

    God Bless and Take Care,

    Bear
     
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