Criminalizing homelessness

Discussion in 'Off Grid Living' started by GhostX, Oct 18, 2016.

  1. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    I'm sure most of you have heard about this by now. Many states including my home state of Texas are criminalizing people who do not own or rent a home. This applies to anyone who falls under the category of "homeless", wether it be by choice or due to lack of employment.

    There are some serious issues developing in this country that are directly caused by the government that runs it. It doesn't appear as if protesting is going to do much good anymore. This system we live in has successfully indoctrinated everyone into the most dogmatic religion ever conceived by man and that religion is capitalism. It's a black hole that's sure to suck everyone in as it grows and slowly consumes the earth and enslaves everyone; forcing every generation into a life of indentured servitude for existing on a piece of earth owned by someone else. It would be naïve to think that there will be any such thing as sovereignty in the future. You will either play the game or you will perish; you can exile yourself away from society (if you can), live in a prison, get shot for protesting or commit suicide when you come to terms with how hopeless it is to exist in these conditions.

    Every day people are enslaving themselves many times over by signing some kind of contract... almost like giving the devil claim on their souls. People just accept it as part of life because of how routine it is. But the game is rigged. The pyramid is growing too large and it's crushing everyone holding it up at the bottom. If you can manage to glance at the top, it appears that none of them are looking down to see how the rest are suffering beneath them or how the ground is beginning to crumble. They are only looking upwards and trying to grasp a tiny bit higher than those they compete with... because those with the greatest reach have arms to wrap around the world and claim it as theirs... along with every living soul in it.
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  2. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I can understand on one side homeless people abuse their situation and create bad name for others .
    On the other hand ,having been homeless ,
    I think certain people should be thrown on the street with no hope of getting there home back and see how they might better deal with the situation ,rather than demonizing others they don't know .
    I believe that all people should be dealt with on an individual basis.
  3. stg58

    stg58 Monkey+++ Founding Member

    The Sheriff in Milwaukee has an opinion on the current situation..

    David A. Clarke, Jr. on Twitter
    Time for 'Pitchforks and Torches'
    It's incredible that our institutions of gov, WH, Congress, DOJ, and big media are corrupt & all we do is bitch. Pitchforks and torches time

  4. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Perhaps torches and pitchforks are a little old fashioned to deal with these problems... but how about a mask?

  5. Legion489

    Legion489 Rev. 2:19 Banned

    Yes, in many places such as Phoenix, AZ and other cities, the homeless are rounded up and put in cages for the night. Left to fight and rape and murder and do drugs or whatever they want with/to each other and then let out in the morning, those who are alive and/or able to walk that is.

    Having been homeless, I know what it is like to not know where you are going to rest your head that night and then I am subjected to the lib-tards telling me that their kicking the homeless off their steam tunnel vents (used to stay warm) or where ever the lib-tard wants to stay to show "solidarity" with the homeless is "for their own good!" I'd like to see a few of them thrown in outdoor holding pens for the night and have them see what it is REALLY like.
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  6. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    Just to set the stage a bit...




    I could post hundreds more of these images. What you can't smell is the filth, stench and the files from the garbage and human waste that is a hallmark of our local "Homeless" camps.

    Homeless camps locally are full of drugs, drunks and sadly, crazy people. The murder rate in Anchorage places the Muni in #1 spot for "Most violent city" in the western US. YMMV, if so, you are lucky.

    Most of the 'homeless' are vagrants, bums, drunks and druggies. A few have metal heath problems - but they are in the minority...

    The reason many cities are 'criminalizing' the demonstrated criminal behavior of the "Homeless" is in an effort to get the bums out of their town. Even when offered shelter (with minimal rules - no drugs, no drinking, no smoking) these folks, for the most part, would rather live in the woods to pursue their chosen 'lifestyle'.

    Sorry, you will find zero sympathy from me. And yes, I do support putting the most violent in jail.

    We have already had two sets of schools where children have been attacked (with knives) by this filth. Multiple rapes and killings are the 'norm' in the area of town with the largest number of these so-called homeless. You can check Anchorage newspapers for yourself if you don't believe me.

    Least you think me completely heartless - I worry about the safety of my wife, children and grandchildren. And that desire for personal safety absolutely trumps anyone's elses' concern for these hapless souls.

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  7. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    In a few short weeks, most of DKR's Homeless will either, move into Shelters, of be Popsicles, to be carted off to the local Hospital, or Morgue.... The further North you go, the less Homeless Issue you find, in Alaska.... Out here where I live there are NO Homeless, in the Fall, Winter or Spring.... Oh they show up every summer, but are LONG GONE, by the First of October.... A few try and hold out till Thanksgiving, but those are very RARE.. We just treat them, like our local Bear Population, and they either Hybernate, (hit a shelter) or Migrate to warmer climates.... Was just down in Seattle, and their Homeless Population is very sizable, and a MAJOR Political Issue for the Liberal .GOV.... Serves them right....
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  8. Tevin

    Tevin Monkey+++

    I have a problem with calling someone a "criminal" solely because they don't have a permanent address, yet I also understand the sentiment behind the idea.

    Homeless people cause a lot of problems. They are filthy, obnoxious, and take a lot but give nothing.

    I can't approve of criminalizing homelessness, but I do favor making life as difficult as possible for them so they will not want to stay around. No shelters or social services. No public money for soup kitchens. No tents or camping on public property. If needed, cite them for littering, loitering, and similar things not directly related to homelessness. If they are panhandling at stop lights, cite them for interfering with traffic, jaywalking, whatever. Stick them on a bus and give them a one-way trip to some far away city.
  9. DarkLight

    DarkLight Live Long and Prosper - On Hiatus Site Supporter

    The problem with this tactic is the assumption that making something illegal will prevent people from doing it. Because this has worked so well so far for things such as:
    • Guns - not debating anything other than restricting legal access to guns has had the exact opposite effect on the criminal element getting and using guns to commit crime
    • Drugs - ibid for drug use
    • Prostitution
    • Alcohol - during prohibition
    • Porn - Look it up. I think you'd be surprised to find that certain types of porn (and I mean straight porn) might actually be ILLEGAL to watch in your state/jurisdiction
    just to name a few.

    Declaring homelessness a crime or the homeless criminals does nothing. It's a waste of time and effort. Laws create criminals, which is the point. Making you a criminal is one of many ways they have to control you. Making something that you truly may have absolutely no control over "illegal" is the height of hubris on the part of the "ruling elite" and TPTB. It smacks of making anyone non-blond a criminal or anyone but B- blood type a criminal because A and O of any stripe are illegal.

    Yes, there is a homeless problem in this country. There is also a lazy ass oxygen thief problem in this country. You don't see them declaring 3rd generation welfare recipients criminals (for that act) do you? No, and you won't.

    There is also a drug problem in this country, an obesity problem, a critical thinking problem, and economic education problem and hundreds of other things we need to be addressing, and doing so at a local, neighborhood, city and state level.

    Yes, some people can't be helped and yet others don't want to be helped, in whatever fashion we are discussing, but some can and do want to be and giving a hand up rather than a hand out can make all the difference in a lot of cases.
  10. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

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  11. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    I think DarkLight said it best. Instead of giving people a hand up from their problems, the government is making it illegal to have them. To lump all "homeless" in the same category is almost like a form of racism. To assume that they are all filthy, all rape, all do drugs and drink themselves into a coma every night is extremely stereotypical I think. I don't doubt that there are quite a few who do those things but I find it hard to believe that they are the majority. I think they are the ones you end up hearing about most often while the rest just want to be left alone. You see, I feel like this is just an excuse to lump all people who choose to reject the system into the same category.

    If it was me, you wouldn't be finding used syringes or mountains of trash piled up. I don't think I would want to be within 5 miles of any major city. I would just want to be left alone... yet I would still be treated like a criminal if I was discovered by some cop. For nothing more than camping and surviving aloof of society, I would be a criminal and would be locked up for a nothing crime that hurts no one.

    Can you not see it for what it is? It's not a solution to the homeless problem, it's a war on personal freedom. It's a natural right of sovereignty which our fore fathers fought to protect but it's being perverted and criminalized by our government. It's the final nail in the coffin along side hunting and fishing licenses that says we can't choose to live as a natural being of this earth. It has become illegal to sustain one's self outside of mainstream society and I see a huge problem with that. It's a pill I cannot swallow and I feel that it needs to be protested.
  12. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    This doesn't do any good. So by making homelessness a crime, all it does is that they get free room and board when they get picked up. There is no motivation to change your situation.
  13. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    The only problem seen by the government is that there are people who are not turning the wheels of society by spending money on shelter.
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  14. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    So, as long as you full time in an RV you're still good, right?

    yea, it's shopped....

  15. GhostX

    GhostX Monkey

    Well, Texas also has the castle law so you can live in a vehicle and the same rules of a house apply as long as the vehicle isn't driving.
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  16. hot diggity

    hot diggity Monkey+++ Site Supporter+++

    I lived under canvas and had only pedal powered two wheel transportation for several months in my late teens. I was essentially homeless, but to me it was more of an extended vacation. I'd love to do the same again some day, maybe even on foot. Now I have a nice warm destination in mind. I'm wondering if they would arrest an armed disabled military retiree who was just walking across Texas? Stuff like this just makes me want to test limits.

    I probably couldn't even get away with what bicyclists used to jokingly call "Le Grand Touring." That's where you fill your saddle bags with cash and stay in the finest hotels as you bike across the country.

    Geeze! When I was a kid this was a free country.
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  17. Meat

    Meat Monkey+++

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  18. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    I have people living with me that would otherwise be homeless.
    Many homeless I meet are not bad people , securing a (steady) job is very hard in some areas and the competition is fearce.
    Housing issues need to change so that accommodations can be made to meet the need without burdening those lending a hand.
    The problem with most situations is that once a source is made available ,it has a magnetic draw that reaches hundreds of miles. The only way to govern it is to have some ridged requirements ,and the is where the government screws things up .
    Any one receiving community help cannot require any thing of the recipient.
    Liability issues also come into play among those that would abuse the system .there is no protection under the good samaritan act.
    they don't want these people to survive.
    Cities are fallowing the UN agenda 21 program in which 2/3rds of the world population is to be eliminated.
  19. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    Have you ever been homeless?

    Ever wondered where your next meal was coming from or if you would survive the night due to weather or ?

    Sometimes no matter what we do we can find ourselves in unwanted situations...

    And here is something to think on...

    have you considered this in all it's aspects?

    could this be used against you for the purpose of control?

    could they (those in power) condemn your property...

    award you 0 compensation and force you and yours out of or off said property...

    forcing you to be homeless then use this kinda law to arrest you?

    the left has used such in the past... for that matter thinkin the right has been just as bad...

    slowly the protections of the Bill of Rights and Constitution are being eroded away..

    usually with the same excuse...

    brings to mind that quote...

    if I do not protect the rights of others... even of those I hate... I open the way for the loss of my own...
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  20. Danddylion

    Danddylion Monkey

    I am homeless and now a criminal because my state has passed said law. I do not use drugs or alcohol, I haul my trash out do public dumpsters at local parks. I am a vet and do not find it a hardship. I just see it as a way for "Corporate America " to keep us under their Lie of what happiness is. The best and newest thing they have to sell.
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