Dealing with Shit….or, Cholera is Fun!

Discussion in 'Survival of the Fittest' started by OldDude49, Jan 21, 2019.

  1. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    January 22, 2019
    When you start looking beyond the popular consumer literature about emergency and disaster preparedness, and start diving into case studies and government records, one of the recurring themes that arises is the incidence of disease spread as a result of breakdowns in sanitation systems and practices.

    From municipal sewage systems flooding and spilling into the streets to breaks in lines contaminating drinking water supplies; to people’s toilets backing up from a lack of water to flush. Once shit starts piling up, disease vectors start ramping up, and people get sick and die.

    Even as a kid in the 1980s, reading government Civil Defense handouts from the 1950s and 1960s, and survivalist literature of the era, and Army Field Manuals I purloined from my father’s bookshelves, one of the recurring suggestions for dealing with that included a bucket with a trash bag liner. Once full, you, you were supposed to tie up the bag and “dispose of it safely.” Beyond “bury it” (in which case, why not just use a fucking slit trench?), I don’t recall any specific instructions on what constituted “dispose of it safely.”

    The second common suggestion I’ve seen over the years is the time-tested and approved “dig a hole and build an outhouse.” When I was a young kid—really, even into high school—in our rural community, everyone had an outhouse, even though we all had indoor plumbing by then, and running water (well, most. We did have a couple neighbors that, even in the early 1990s, still used a hand pump from a shallow well for household water).

    The final suggestion was usually only mentioned by people who’d been in the military in combat arms, and/or were Vietnam vets, which was, shit in a metal barrel, mix in diesel or av-gas, and burn it when it gets close to full. Before I offer a much better option, let’s look at some of the inherent problems with each of the above.

    Buried Bags of Poop!

    Cat holes and slit trenches go back, at least to the beginnings of recorded military history, and probably further than that. Common in Roman military practice, with the rise of castles and siegecraft in the medieval period, they found a new lease on life. Having a besieging army of thousands, just shitting wherever was convenient was…well inconvenient, when it results in half the army dying of dysentery or cholera. Putting it all in a hole and burying it keeps it mostly safe from rodents and flying vermin who then transmit the pathogens to human food stores…the presence of microbes and mychorrizal in the soil that exists just to break down waste into plant nutrients helps that process.

    So, what’s wrong with bagging it and burying it? A plastic bag creates an anaerobic environment, because no oxygen can reach the waste. The microbes that grow in that waste in the anaerobic environment are the ones that stink, and are harmful to human health. Further, when the bag does rupture, the stench attracts vermin…that transmit the harmful bacteria and any disease pathogens to human food stores…

    Yay! Cholera!

    Here’s a pro tip: Dying of fucking cholera is antithetical to survival.

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    more info on site... seems legit... IMHO...

    Dealing with Shit….or, Cholera is Fun!
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  2. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    Having spent many a moon in a shit hole some place nasty, disposing of waste is a serious consideration not to be taken lightly! Sarajevo was my first experience with BAD conditions, every thing was dead, rotting, and conductive to shorting your life by a fair bit! The one thing every one did was ro burn EVERY THING including all the bodies! Burial was almost the worst thing, really stewing things bad and then spreadding them SLOWLY to every one down stream! Drinking water was scarce, had to be boiled and treated with chemicals that could also hurt you, amd medical was simply not available! Much the same in the shit holes of the sand box, those folks are even more dirty and desperate! What you do to dispose of waste can have serious effects on survival!
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  3. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart Snow Monkey Moderator

    You can burn Poop, you can burn Bodies, you can burn waste... and when you burn it you kill all the bugs 100%...
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  4. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    Tha only problem with burnin is some things take a very long time to burn, and require a lot of "Fuel" to complete the process! That and ya really dont wanna be down wind of such a burn, i still have nightmares of those nasty smells, likely will for the rest of my life!
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  5. aardbewoner

    aardbewoner judge a human on how he act,not on look and talk.

    Can you imagine the trouble if you have to burn or burying the content of one of the mega city's.
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  6. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    My basic choice is the Old Special Forces Hand Book. It covers basic sanitation and privies for groups even to the point of screen wire (when available) to prevent insect transfer of diseases from poop to the chow line.
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  7. OldDude49

    OldDude49 Just n old guy

    the article talks of that... and... seems to NOT recommend it?

    points more at composting?
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  8. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    Methane gas is made from composting in an enclosed/sealed environment china and japan as well as other Asian countries have been doing it along time now.
    The methane is then used in place of natural gas or propane .
    Your resources are a waste, if you don't learn how to use them.
    I have made methane on a small scale, just disproving a theory for my own education, later I am going to employ some of the things I've learned into practical application.
    However for some of your dealing with humanure ,chances are you will be using fire for cooking and keeping warm , ashes can be left in the manure for breaking down and keeping the flies off.
    that is what we did in our out houses.
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