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Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Seacowboys, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Fighting the Wrong Enemy,
    Call them whatever you want, illegal aliens, undocumented immigrants, wet-backs, it's just semantics designed to keep the barriers up. I have been giving this some thought and have tried to turn it around and look at the other side to see for myself where the line actually is rather than where the corporate media points or where the right-winged patriots point. As with most things, the correct answer is somewhere between or maybe down a different path altogether. We can find hundreds of posts here, that lament the costs to our nation of these undocumented people. I rarely see one that mentions the other side. Compare it to firearms related media, how one-sided it all is, but we still have many of us that seek out articles about how someone saved lives or thwarted a heinous crime with a firearm; never seen a single instance of anything that compares when talking about wetbacks and I'll just bet that there are many more instances of "saving a child" than there are of MS13 or Muslim terrorists. It appears to me, that these people have become a replacement nigger, in our society. We built these massive social programs that have essentially allowed a significant portion of our "citizens" to subsist free from the encumbrance of having to work and pay taxes, blamed it on a poorer standard of education when it became apparent that getting an education is work too and if we don't have to work for food, clothing or shelter, why should we work to learn? So to solve this problem, we just standardized, lowered the grade curve to a level where there was "Equality" (a big one in most flag-waving media). What this did, was to ad bricks to the wall, so we covered the wall in graffiti-laws and created "political correctness" because you can't actually solve a problem by addressing the problem when so may elected officials have to answer to a loud, angry and voting segment of society that can't read their diploma, have never worked or paid taxes, and demands equality. I truly believe this is all just a distraction from the real agenda and I do not believe it is of nefarious intent, albeit fraught with nefarious practices. Most of us that work for others are threatened by a lower standard of living, most of us that subsist on social programs, even the ones we paid for, are threatened by the knowledge that it cannot sustain, most of us that have parents or family members that get benefits from social programs or entitlements, know this cannot sustain much longer. Who will take care of these extra mouths to feed? Not much we can do about those that got the snowball rolling, it's way too big and has too much momentum now to ever stop, until it crashes into a wall.
    We are at the stage where wet-backs are the new niggers. We refuse to view them as equals, our rights are superior due to a geographic lottery. Those of us that flock to guard our borders will go down in history as the new Ku Klux Klan.
    Our country began as a Democratic Republic, but once a large enough segment realized that they could vote themselves bread and circuses, we actually became a DEMOCRACY, like it or not. And this happened, not by Congress, but by creating a broad enough number of socially dependent Voters, This happened by lowering our standards in education, in the name of "Equality". This happened by lowering the standards of our democratic process to allow an equal say by those that only consume with those that provide. Once the Genie is out of the bottle...
    Now take a moment to look at the real agenda. For decades, Corporate America has been moving their factories to foreign countries to take advantage of lower labor costs, and less regulations and taxes. If they can make it cheaper, then they make more money. It costs billions of dollars to build a factory, even in Mexico or India, but they'll make it back in savings. But if we can bring the cheaper labor here and use our factories, it will save us the costs of relocating. Who's going to complain? The over-paid American workers? Why should they complain? Why do they think they are "Entitled" to the standard of living created by the industrial boom in the wake of a global war by their fathers? Reality is that we have been incrementally lowered in our standard of living with each decimal of inflation, with every new tax, with every new "Law". Why would those that do not work or contribute worry? Because they know that there is only so much to go around and their standard is threatened by each new mouth to feed. The Corporate answer? "Let them eat Twinkies" (sic: now made in Mexico). Simply stated, we need cheap labor to produce cheap junk and keep the garbage recycling. We need a low class to feed the upper class and this middle class thing has to go, we can't afford it. Lower the standard of living for all but a few to a level of "Equality". Who can argue with "Equality"? Isn't that what our nation was founded upon? We need cannon fodder, we need cheaper bombs and missiles, we need bigger warships, more surveillance, all this has to happen to replace the "everyone has to have one of everything" economic policy that chased WW ll into the next several generations of American "Workers". If all we have to do to make this work, is to destroy the American Middle-class, then where's the problem? Why do we have to accept that anyone is "Entitled" to a standard of living, temporary at best, just by being born in a specific geographic location?
    I am the most avid hunter of the rare and endangered native South Alabama Pachyderm. My walls are covered with expensive rifles I have acquired to kill this beast. I have special, very expensive boots to protect me from snakes and elements while tracking this beast through the swamps and bayous. I have vehicles and boats dedicated to the pursuit of this noble beast and plan many elaborate safaris into the farthest reaches of lower Alabama in search of this elusive creature. I see pictures of them adorned on all sorts of posters, vehicle antennae, bumper-stickers...but have never actually encountered a living elephant in Alabama, so I know they are very rare but this does not abate my passionate pursuit of them! Is this any more ridiculous than fighting the wrong enemy? How can we possibly prevail when we expend all our energies chasing an enemy that is imaginary, created solely to distract us from the real agenda?
    We all know and recognize, that this system is imploding, but what Corporate America realizes and we, the middle, do not, is what it will be rebuilt into. Maybe it's time we stop looking at the damage already done and look at what's ahead?
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  2. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Equality simply isn't.
  3. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Immigration = good.
    Less government = very good.
    Uncontrolled immigration to include every rapist and murderer = bad.
    Abusive government which defends and protects these rapists and murderers = very bad.
    Marijuana = good.
    Government sponsored war on "drugs" placing marijuana at the top = extremely bad.

    I see the immigration "problem" as nothing more than a government problem. I also view this uncontrolled (and even .Gov supported) immigration issue as an act of war by every nation sending its people, willingly or without knowledge to America in these numbers. Even the estimates are only guesses --more than 1 million per year enter the country illegally. At this rate, how long will it take to essentially take over? Maybe I am crazy, but illegal immigration looks to be more like a weapon to me. I'm not worried about jobs or the freaking economy, that's gonna bottom out no matter what. Many of these gangs are not just from Mexico, but from San Salvador and other nations. The average immigrant we all may envision (loving mother and child, hard working father) would be ideal, but let's face it --the criminals are offered a carte blanche to kill and rape, with an endless sea of customers to peddle illicit drugs to. No jail, free ticket out, rinse and repeat. Government at work.

    A white American smokes a joint in the wrong State, if he's not shot on sight, he is a criminal for life. Woe be unto him if he's got more than that on him. Woe be unto him if he should talk back to the gestapo. But, an illegal? Oh, we don't want to "discriminate". "better let him go rape and murder a little bit more to get it out of his system".

    Genocide. Sponsored by the globalists for a darker world.
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  4. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    My issue with illegal aliens is that their first act in my sovereign country was to break the law. If your first act in a new country is to break the law, what assurance do I have that you won't break more laws? And, yes, my allegiance is to US citizens before all others and I dislike that resources I pay for are being used for illegals instead of my own countrymen.

    I don't give a damn about their race. Think about this - what is more iconic as a symbol of America than a Cowboy:
    • The word "cowboy" has nothing to do with cows, it comes from the Spanish word for horseman, the caballero.
    • Cowboy boots are Spanish in origin.
    • Chaps are Spanish and Mexican in origin as is the cowboy hat.
    • Even the lariat came from hispanics - la riata is literally "the rope".
    Without Hispanics there would be no American cowboy. Even worse, our cooking would be much more bland (JK, but still true).
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  5. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    My thought on this is rather simply... We are a nation of laws or we are not and more and more it appears it is the latter.

    We have had this immigration problems for decades yet no one has done a damn thing about it. Am I the only one that thinks this is strange? Millions of people breaking the law, in some cities openly and even defended, yet not one person in either House of government or the Judicial Department did anything. And, now that it is at epic proportions and they can't hide the dollar and cents facts that it costs they say things like, "it's not cost effective to send them back." And, consider sanctuary cities who are openly breaking the law and the Federal government turns a blind eye and again does nothing. Is that because they are incompetent? Perhaps they have no time, funds, or resources to force the cities to comply with Federal laws? Or what? But they give no reason. They remain silent.

    No, there is much more to this than meets the eye and it goes deep...their lack of enforcing the law and their silence shows their true position and their charade. Call it a conspiracy or what you will but there is much more to this that we can't see and @Seacowboys might be closer to the truth than what he/we thinks...

    It really angers me when I think of this and people like Hillary who are above the law yet the common man must obey and comply for each and every detail, no matter how small, or face ruin, death or both.
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  6. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    I'm sorry, what was this thread about again? I was too busy eating my bread and watching the circus to pay attention.
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  7. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    I make only two points:
    1. Smoke and mirrors, nuthin up my sleeve: Presto!
    2. The ingress of our enemies, gang related. drug related. error (sic: political) will tunnel under wall, climb over fences, ride waves ashore, fall from the sky, and we will eventually have to kill them or surrender. This agenda comes from way beyond my pay grade.
  8. Tempstar

    Tempstar Old and crochety Site Supporter+

    Chinese? Japanese? Scotch-Irish? The whole country was founded on everybody being from somewhere else. The problem isn't the immigrants. The problem is the carrot we dangle in front of them. Free everything if you know how to work the system. Who wouldn't want to sneak in here?
    I have a friend from Mexico, we call him Nacho. He is one of the best autobody men i have ever met. Always on time, works hard for his money, keeps his head down and does his job. When he goes home, he tips off ICE and he and a few friends get a free ride to Brownsville TX where they are escorted back across the border. He spends a month with his family in his amazing home (I've seen the pictures) and then comes back here to work for 11 more months. He lives here with 5 other illegals in a two bedroom rental house for $450 a month. They split all of the costs leaving a huge chunk of American dollars to be sent home each month. He is retiring in a few years when he reaches 50. He says he has enough money to last he and his wife a long time. He has a Social Security number and pays his payroll taxes. He just never has filled out a tax form, ever. He says that keeps him off the radar.
    So, if you could work somewhere for 25 times your salary here, relatively risk free along with free medical care, wouldn't you?
    Kinda makes it our fault, huh?
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  9. chimo

    chimo the few, the proud, the jarhead monkey crowd

    meanwhile, it seems Obama wants to "protect" our elections from all the nasty threats out there by declaring voting machines and the elections as "critical infrastructure". Isn't this the same federal government who routinely gets cracked and "misplaces" trillions of our dollars? Nothing to worry about...let's talk about Colin Kapernick and Chris Brown...
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  10. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    @Tempstar "He has a Social Security number and pays his payroll taxes. He just never has filled out a tax form, ever."

    I am trying to think this through and...I suppose if you had the taxes taken out during the year so that he was always positive - meaning he didn't owe any tax at the end of the year - that no red flags would ever go up. But, what I don't know is how he got a Social Security number? I lost my SS card years and years ago and when I returned stateside I figured I better get one but I had to prove who I was (passport, etc...) and my wife got her SSN when she got her Green Card (Permanent Resident Card). So, how are they getting Social Security Cards? At least this guy is paying taxes of some sort...because a lot of them are not.
  11. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    I have a friend from college who filed an income tax return last in 1967. He worked at responsible, professional positions most of his career and claimed an excess of dependents when he didn't claim to be exempt. In the 1990s, he received a letter from the IRS inquiring about a tax return (or lack thereof) in the mid 80's...he never responded and never heard from them again until he reached retirement age and began receiving SS. About 6 mos after that, he received notification that they would withhold about $60-$70 per month of his reasonably high (for SS) social security payment for past taxes.

    As far as how illegals get SS cards...I arrested a Social Security Service Rep in Los Angeles around 1983 or '84 who had sold a total of about 500 valid SS accounts to illegals (she was responsible in her job for reviewing and approving the needed documentation and ordering the cards issued). She received about $500 per card.
  12. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    So, that SSN is the key truly, isn't it? Once you have that everything else can fall into place.. I know I needed it to open a bank account here when I got back. And, they say we don't have any national ID card! LOL!!!!
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  13. Tackleberry

    Tackleberry Krieg Hündchen

    Not OUR
    Not our fault, but is the fault of our political aristocracy. Your friend is but one example of why OUR country is going to hell with debt and the loss of an identity. Tax evasion. Theft of someone's identity. Services fraud. Yeah, your friend is a worthless leech deserving of something other than our pity.....he and all those like him.
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