Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Oltymer, Sep 5, 2016.
Real simple and to the point, YES, or NO.
There is all sorts of grey in that question.... did Muslim extremist hit the buildings, yes... was the government involved in some manner.......
Like I said, there are all sort of grey areas........
I'll have to abstain because I don't believe anything...
I was on watch on the Ops floor of Northern California TRACON at the time. From what I was able to see and reports I saw, it is viable.
The poll is 3 to 3 now. Yes, I believe Muslims did fly planes into the buildings. Though the whole flight school, visa stuff is really incompetent on all levels and makes me wonder.
And I believe a plane hit the Pentagon and that a plane crashed in the field.
I'm not doing anything that will put me on a Clinton hit list, so will abstain from this poll...
No vote from here, either. The tin foil has been unwound on that so often that it's no longer on my radar.
Jet fuel don't drop buildings as in straight down OR the 55* angles left in a few pictures .
To see & read this for so long , ASK the rest of the world , They know it's not the planes , coordinated & HOW many buildings were DROPPED , why & what was to gain !!
Pentagon pictures were so much BS & then they tried to say at 600mph metal can dispersal into thin air.
The world is just laughing at the reports & what will still be said.
I will only add this; 80,000 pounds of Jet-A traveling at 240 mph and suddenly impacting something, makes a great big splat! And I will also add this, that same Jet fuel would burn for hours in a very thick black greasy smoke! That smoke would rain down to the ground and coat every thing in a black tar like covering! Jet fuel is like diesel fuel, it doesn't like to burn unless it has heat, and a reliable ignition source! It also only burns off the surface vapors that the heat generates, not as fast as gasoline, nor as violent!
The truth is an elephant as found by 3 blind men.
One finds the tail and says its a vine, the second finds the leg and says its a tree and the third finds the trunk and exclaims its a snake.
Not me. Incompetency, stupidity at all ranks and all levels in all departments are the only consistency in government.
I have experience in Applied Energetic Materials Demolition....and the theory that it was THIS, is what brought down the Twin Towers, is Just so Much BS..... The rest, I do NOT care about... and I will not vote...
Yes, 2 planes crashed into the WTC, another plane hit the Pentagon and the 4th, Flight 93 crashed after overpowering their hijacker but...I just can't believe building 7 collapsing like that...like it was a perfect demolition. No plane hit it, just some pieces of other burning buildings yet it collapsed perfectly, just textbook perfectly! Something is very, very odd there. So, the question hard to answer black and white as lots of grey area, it's a mixed of truth and lies. But, there is no way anyone will make be believe that Bldg 7 was not a planned and perfectly implemented demolition.
The basics of the story....that a bunch of Islamic terrorists plowed a plane into buildings is true. I do not believe there was any conspiracy on the part of the US government.
I do believe that other governments had something to do with it, or at the very least knew about it and looked the other way and/or failed to warn anyone.
I also believe there was an after the fact cover up by the US government to hide other nations' involvement to preserve diplomatic relations and to avoid the embarrassment of admitting that lot of red flags were missed.
But no, the CIA did not blow up buildings. There were no bombs planted. There was no secret plot on the US side. George W Bush was not in on the scam.
Such a vast plan would need to involve so many people and take such a long time to set up that it would be almost impossible to keep it secret for so long. It's been fifteen years and the tin foil hatters have come up empty. If there was a smoking gun, it would have been found by now.
Far too many people are ignorant. If they are delving information from the nightly news --there's your reason why.
I have only two words: Building Seven.
This is not a clear yes and no poll, due to the complexity of the events.
Were 4 planes hijacked by Arabs and forced/flown into each of the twin towers, the pentagon, and a field in Penn. ? YES
Due to a lack of transparency by the government for various reasons, none of which do I agree with, all of the rest of the story is smoke and mirrors. I do not for a minute believe that the American people "CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH". The FACT that our government hides so much essential information from WE THE PEOPLE pisses me off to no end!!!
"Do you believe the US Government Official 9-11 story?"
Respectfully, I disagree, and believe it is a very clear 'yes/no' poll.
The "official government excuse (zero evidence):
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
(Building 7’s collapse was not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report.)
The independent study and real evidence:
7 Facts: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Silverstein Statement: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Freefall collapse: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Collapse Model: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Sulfidated Steel: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Explosive residues: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Eyewitnesses: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Foreknowledge: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
Destruction of the evidence: RememberBuilding7 New TV Ad Featuring 9/11 Family Members, Architects and Engineers
I will concede I have no clue how or why building 7 came down. It was not hit by either of the 2 planes that hit the twin towers. Yes it does look exactly like a controlled explosion demolition. Why or how it was destroyed I also have no clue. Do I believe that our government was directly responsible for it being destroyed? Again I have no clue. Now back to the 4 planes. Let me ask you @Brokor a question. Do you deny 4 planes fully loaded with innocent civilian passengers, and in control of some foreign or domestic terrorists were used to strike both of the twin towers, and the pentagon, and a field in Penn (after passengers attempted to take back control of the plane). ???
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