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Discussion in 'Tin Foil Hat Lounge' started by Tango3, Jul 1, 2010.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Theres' too much weird stuff happening right now to provoke the citizenry:

    Cali cuts every state worker back to minimum wage.

    Stark. ridiculously mocking the minutemen:

    obumble and thefeds holding up cleanup efforts

    Nasty corexit9500 being pumped into the gulf dispersing and forcing the oil down instead of allowing it to float for skimming.(????)

    The EPA just close down 122 refineries.( refused to renew air quality permits.) EPA air permit rejections put jobs at risk, Perry says | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

    This post copied from (godlike productions a "fringe" board slightly more out there than my usual "fringe" source ATS) but its interesting:.
    War on US Citizens.

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    That's right. The Federal Government is trying to cause a civil war, and use the UN "peacekeepers" over here to position themselves in power.

    How do I know this? The resent attacks on states' rights, the bill of rights, and the Constitution. The congress is doing everything in its power to fulfill Obama's every wish (or his handlers').

    Obama is trying to destroy America through Civil War. It's very obvious after you start looking it up. Attacks against every citizen in the US, and trying to destroy us from the inside, like the attack on 125 Oil Refineries, that could destroy 500,000 US jobs, and jack up prices extremely high (not even counting the increased taxes on gas!) [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]

    Even worse, the reason that our Federal Government isn't trying to win the Iraq and Afgan wars is because they are trying to limit Americans' ability to fight back. From attacks on the second Amendment (to strip our guns away) and sending as many troops all over the world as they can (to overseas bases, and the warzones) they are trying to clear the way for an easy take over.

    How? Easy. They will drive Americans to start a civil war (or that's the plan) and cut all funding to the US Military (to stop US Armed Forces from helping the US civilian population. Our troops will find themselves stuck overseas and unable to get back in time to help protect us).
    After the uprising, the Federal Government will take power as fast as they can by taking over complete power (using multiple laws, one of which no one seems to ever spell correctly) and using existing UN forces to cement their power once they have it. The USA will disappear in a matter of months.

    You can easily find all of the obvious hints scattered across the internet, from attacks on Texas, Arizona, NJ, FL, Alaska, and many many more. The Government is now completely against the people that elected them, and have broken their oath to uphold the US Constitution. They are trying to strip away our rights and our ability to survive in this increasingly harsh environment!

    BUT WAIT, A WARNING! This is NOT a call to arms, for the Federal Government NEEDS people to violently rise up. They will try to force this as time goes on, and will probably try to destroy our economy (or take it over through regulations and EPA permits/Laws) between now and early 2011. If we start giving in to our primal urges we will be giving up our rights as fast as they can take them.

    Protesting is useless, it is now time to fight fire with fire. Make sure you KNOW whom you are voting for, and use politics to fight politics (in essence, do NOT vote for lawyers, or 'La Raza' [The Race] members. Stray away from anyone that wants to help illegal immigrants, or those that like to visit foriegn countries. DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO DESTROY US!

    Sure, the problems with BP in the gulf suck, but don't let them use that as a reason to destroy our ability to produce oil ON LAND and take the livelyhood of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Americans!!!
    Stop debating useless topics, help stop this hidden takeover of the US, and the destruction or complete annihilation of Americans laws and traditions.

    Last Edited by Zerocyber on 7/1/2010 at 7:25 PM

    I think obumble is taking on the role of "tough love parent" this is gonna hurt me worse than it does you :but its for your own good."
    I think he is advancing a killing blow to the country for his green "wealthy countries are the enemy of humanity" agenda.

    1) Get every American out of his car by driving up the cost of gas to $12.00+ a gallon. fewer emissions and more fuel leftover for the military and agriculture.

    2) That will make people doubly dependant on the govt for . food and energy.
    3) provoke the citizenry to instigate violence so they can clamp down( Stark had 38 years in govt.you don't get there being so stupid; that was worse than any rude ignorant teen).)

    what else explains it???

  2. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    well yeah. Forgot that one. This EPA thing is another assault on state's rights.

    This whole provoking a civil war idea - ahhh... I dunno...

    I just can't imagine what is going on in this guy's head, but I hope it's complete stupidity. I shudder at the thought that it might have planning and calculation as attributes.
  3. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Yeah, I agree with Fort on this one.

    The civil war thing seems far fetched.....no, it doesn't seem... it is far fetched. How could that ever be a good idea? We are the UN. Do you really think any peacekeepers want to come here when we can't get them to do sh*t in their own regions? Trust me, I have worked with enough coalition partners to know.

    And you take into account that the majority of soldiers do believe they defend support the constitution. I see a pretty disgruntled force out there now under the current administration. Something drastic like turning the force on it's citizenry.... not at all likely.

    ETA: This sounds like the same regurgitated NWO sh*t that was published through the 80s. It didn't pan out then. It's certainly no closer now. In fact.... it's farther from reality. I really think that some should ditch that argument and pick up something likely. There are everyday assaults against rights in this country without getting bogged down in someone's fantasy of shooting at blue helmets.
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    I politely beg to differ;
    events have advanced in leaps and bounds since then:
    No it didn't happen then: During the 80's citizens and vets weren't criminalized.

    Dissent wasn't the equivalent of "terrorism';
    The posse commitatus act meant something (we didn't have "northcom" with assigned combat brigades).
    10 fema regions:
    FBI agents couldn't write their own search warrants and make it illegal to discuss them once served..
    we didn't need passports to travel out of the country to Canada or Mexico.
    we are experiencing an economic collapse; (not a slowdown, or minor depression).

    And if you think we are not on the way to a progrssive one world govt (imho you really haven't been paying attention).
  5. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    I'm between you two gentlemen on this one.

    I believe the NWO agenda is real and that they're making inroads.

    What I don't understand is WTF this administration is doing.
    If it is pursuing a NWO agenda it is doing so stupidly and in a way that will produce a huge backlash. (That's not unprecedented though. Clinton/Reno greatly misjudged the American people as well).

    If they are doing something else - what and why? And why in a way that will produce a huge backlash?
  6. Capt. Tyree

    Capt. Tyree Hawkeye

    Loose Ends Await the Tie That Binds

    Agreed that the strange stuff .gov is perpetrating upon the citizenry is accelerating in scope and severity such that one wonders if these .gov moves are calculated precisely to breech the tipping point.

    Like a well-practiced offensive football squad executing an off-tackle running play, timing is essential. The players are in motion, enticing the defender to commit into the developing trap block. Forces are concentrated awaiting that moment. If the .gov play is to be successful it must happen before the November elections.

    The defenders must resist the developing trap, stuff the middle (an ever vocal growing enlightened populace) and maintain outside containment to prevent an end-around run or long pass (alternative media: Drudge, Talk Radio, Internet etc). The defensive effort wll be successful as long as there is no illegal contact (ie overt reactive violence), and the play runs out of sideline (November elections occur intact with no rigged polls.)

    Let's go and win one for the Gipper.....and may God help us all if we blow it.
  7. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Since this is in the Tinfoil section, I might as well add the following email I just received from Lipscomb at survivalistseeds.com:

    Hello all ...

    The potential magnitude of what is unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico simply cannot be overstated. It is far, far worse than is being admitted and what we are allowed to see is catastrophic enough.

    When a major event happens we should watch and wait to see what information comes to light before jumping in with 'it's this' or 'it's that'. What appears to be one thing at the start can become something quite different a few days or weeks later.

    But we now have had enough time to shake our heads at claims that this was just an 'accident' or 'incompetence'.

    Beware cover stories of 'incompetence', as with 'incompetent bureaucrats', because they are so often a veil for cold calculation. The Gulf of Mexico disaster didn't just happen, it was made to happen.

    Mother Jones magazine reported:
    'Tony Buzbee, a lawyer representing 15 rig workers and dozens of shrimpers, seafood restaurants, and dock workers, says he has obtained a three-page signed statement from a crew member on the boat that rescued the burning rig's workers.
    The sailor, who Buzbee refuses to name for fear of costing him his job, was on the ship's bridge when Deepwater Horizon installation manager Jimmy Harrell, a top employee of rig owner Transocean, was speaking with someone in Houston via satellite phone.
    Buzbee told Mother Jones that, according to this witness's account, Harrell was screaming, "Are you ****ing happy? Are you ****ing happy? The rig's on fire! I told you this was gonna happen.'
    Yes, and nothing was done because it was meant to happen.

    We are well aware of Halliburton, the company headed by a key player behind the war on Iraq has since been awarded a stream of no bid government contracts in the country that has transferred staggering amounts of taxpayer money into the pig trough infested by Halliburton executives and shareholders.
    Lawsuits claim that the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig, 52 miles south-east of the Louisiana port of Venice on April 20th, was caused because Halliburton workers improperly capped the well - a process known as cementing.

    Just eight days before the Gulf blow-out, Halliburton also announced that it had agreed to buy Boots & Coots for $240.4 million. Who are Boots & Coots?

    The world's largest oil-spill clean-up company which also deals with oil and gas well fires and blowouts.

    What an incredibly fortunate coincidence. What a slice of luck.
    Goldman Sachs sold 44 per cent of its holdings in BP, a total of 4,680,822 shares worth the best part of $300 million, in the weeks before the Gulf disaster that sent BP shares plummeting, and Tony Hayward, BP's disgraceful chief executive, is reported to have sold his £1.4 million shares in BP a month before the explosion. The profit allowed him to pay off the mortgage on his mansion. How nice.

    As with the pre-9/11 'put options' (bets) on the stocks of American airlines falling, so we have gathering evidence that some people knew what was coming in the Gulf of Mexico from an oil rig operated by one of the biggest companies on the planet - British Petroleum.

    Merely drilling where BP did, with the known pressures from within the earth, was asking for trouble.
    But what's the deal? How does an oil-poisoned ocean and devastated coastal communities (and potentially others far inland and around the world) benefit an agenda for total global control?

    Oh, in so many ways.
    Firstly, we need to appreciate the almost unimaginable scale of what is happening - facts that BP and the Obama-fronted American government are desperate to keep from us.

    Recent reports have claimed to quote the opinions of scientists who are too fearful to be publicly named because of the consequences for their lives and careers.

    They estimate the release of oil from under the Earth's crust at between 80,000 and 100,000 barrels a day. That is 4.2 million gallons or 15.9 million litres a day potentially pouring into the Gulf.

    This aligns with a leaked internal BP document that says that in a 'worst-case scenario' up to 100,000 barrels a day could be released into the ocean.

    The scientists were quoted as saying that the 'sandblasting' of the oil, toxic gases, rocks and sand will be continually making a bigger hole for the oil and gas to escape. In other words, the situation is getting worse not better and it is already a catastrophe of immense proportions for those immediately affected - a number growing rapidly by the day.

    The scientists predicted that the drill hole will expand beneath the wellhead and so weaken the area on which the wellhead stands until it is pushed off the hole to allow the oil to flow with no restrictions at all.

    Should that happen the consequences are unthinkable.
    The scientists said that billions of barrels of oil will be released before the pressure in the enormous cavity five miles below the seabed calms and finds balance and then water would pour into the cavity to replace the oil.

    They said that the temperature at that depth, some 400 degrees, will turn the water to steam creating a pressure that will lift the ocean floor. They estimate that this will create a tsunami of between 20 to 80 feet, or even higher, that will bring the poisoned ocean ashore to leave great tracts of land uninhabitable and without life.

    American investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, writes that satellite imagery withheld by the Obama administration shows that 'under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest'. This information, he says, has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public.

    Now, we have heard many doomsday scenarios before in many circumstances that have not manifested, but even if such shocking predictions do not happen on that staggering scale there is no question that the world changed on April 20th 2010 when the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded.
    Just a look at the map of the Gulf region reveals the potential effect on enormous numbers of people in Mexico, the Caribbean and the southern states of America with so many living on or close to the coastline ...
    But the scale and potential of what we are seeing goes way beyond even the Gulf. The scientists mentioned earlier say that the oil has now reached the Gulf Stream, with a current at least four times stronger than in the Gulf of Mexico itself, and this could help to direct the oil all over the world in the next 18 months.

    It is the Gulf Stream that keeps the United Kingdom and parts of Europe much warmer than they would otherwise be at their latitude, but it will also act as a oceanic conveyor belt delivering the oil from the Gulf Mexico across the Atlantic.
    The toxic oil and gas are being added to by the lethal 'dispersant' used by BP to (theoretically, for public consumption only), 'disperse the oil'. They are using Corexit 9500 and Corexit 9527A which are so toxic they have been banned in Europe, although Europe is likely to get them anyway via the Gulf Stream.

    Corexit is manufactured by a corporation called Nalco, once part of ExxonMobil, and the current leadership includes executives from Exxon and BP. The European Union Times said of Corexit:
    'A dire report prepared for President Medvedev by Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources is warning today that the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico is about to become the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history threatening the entire eastern half of the North American continent with "total destruction" ...
    ... Russian scientists are basing their apocalyptic destruction assessment due to BP's use of millions of gallons of the chemical dispersal agent known as Corexit 9500 which is being pumped directly into the leak of this wellhead over a mile under the Gulf of Mexico waters and designed, this report says, to keep hidden from the American public the full, and tragic, extent of this leak that is now estimated to be over 2.9 million gallons a day.'
    You might think at first hearing that it is blatantly crazy to use Corexit when there are some 12 other less toxic and more effective dispersants approved by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Two of those on the EPA list 'were found to be 100 percent effective on Gulf of Mexico crude, while the two Corexit products rated 56 percent and 63 percent effective'.
    Well, yes, it is crazy, these people are crazy, but there is method in their madness, as we will see.
    Killing the sea to 'save' the sea.
    Corexit also causes the oil to drop below the surface so giving a false impression of how much oil is in the water.
    Environmental engineer Joe Taylor has publicly warned BP to stop using Corexit immediately or everything in the sea is going to die. It is worth watching this short report on his findings before we move on, because we are getting to the prime question - why is BP doing everything it can to cause maximum destruction. (If the picture did not transfer the link is still here.)
    The key words spoken by Joe Taylor were when he said that if he knew the information about the effect of Corexit then so did BP - 'They have a lot of chemists who are a lot smarter than I am, and they know this.'
    Why would BP be knowingly causing as much environmental devastation as possible? The answer to this question is the same as the answer to these:
    Why was the booming operation supposed to protect the beaches from the oil so pathetic and 'inept', as exposed here by an expert ... BP Fails Booming School 101? (link included below)
    Why is the BP 'clean-up' operation so disorganised, unmotivated and basically non-existent that BP employees are working for little more than two hours a day on beach cleaning, as exposed here in The Short Film BP Doesn't Want You To See ...?
    The answer to all those questions and so many more is this: we are looking at an environmental 9/11 that was made to happen and those behind this carnage want it to be as extreme as possible to get maximum impact in terms of their goals of control and chaos.
    A vacuous, ludicrous and mendacious man called Bob Dudley, the BP managing director, said from the comfort and distance of Washington DC that 'for BP, our intent is to restore the Gulf the way it was before it happened.'
    Meanwhile, back here on Planet Earth, life as they have known it is already over for the coastal communities of the Gulf region with the tourist and fishing industries devastated or destroyed. People are now being forced to earn a livelihood working on 'clean-ups' for the same BP that has wreaked this havoc on their lives and families.

    What's more, they are told by this merciless corporation that they must work amid shocking levels of toxicity without respirators because they don't want to 'alarm the public' by seeing such pictures - the same reason why BP has basically introduced its own martial law in the region to stop the full and horrific extent of the disaster and its global potential coming to light.

    The health consequences for those 'clean-up' workers already exposed to this deeply toxic environment without protection will already be horrific, as we shall see. But BP couldn't shiv a git - just as the US government and the New York authorities couldn't give a **** about the rescue workers on the toxic World Trade Center site after 9/11.

    Already, even the (pathetic) mainstream media has reported that 70 people in Louisiana have been admitted to hospital with symptoms of toxin poisoning. Many beaches have been closed because of toxins in the air and water and people are reporting breathing problems and skin rashes and lesions.

    One report said that crops as far north as North Carolina have been damaged by toxic rain, while oil has been falling in the rain near the Louisiana coast.
    This is only the beginning, too, as the oil continues to gush in ever-greater amounts to be met by the lethal Corexit in ever-greater amounts, and that whole deadly toxic cocktail is going to fall as rain on communities far from the coast.

    Add to that the hurricanes, tidal surges and other weather phenomena and you can understand why those nameless scientists are writing off land up to 200 miles from the shore as becoming too toxic to support life, let alone a human society. See the story about Nigeria at the end of this article for some of the consequences that oil pollution can bring.

    Two other effects of so much oil in the Gulf of Mexico could be to heat up the sea, so causing more hurricanes and super-storms, and making the process of producing rain from seawater less efficient, so affecting rainfall on the land.

    The major target of this engineered horror is America and its economy - the powers that be are seeking to destroy the United States militarily and financially to bring this 'superpower' to its knees so it can be absorbed into a world government dictatorship via a North American Union.
    BP has said that massive quantities of methane are leaking with the oil, along with large mounts of lethally toxic hydrogen sulfide, benzene and methylene chloride. This has the potential to trigger mass evacuations.
    John Kessler, oceanography professor at Texas A&M University, discovered on a ten-day research expedition what he called 'astonishingly high' levels of methane within five miles of the stricken rig - 'an incredible amount' - and maybe as much as a million times greater than normal.
    It is very sobering to look again at the towns and cities of the Gulf coast given a report by investigative journalist, Wayne Madson, that quotes 'sources' inside the US government, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the US Army Corps of Engineers as predicting a 'dead zone' within 200 miles of the rig caused by a combination of methane and toxic rain containing Corexit.
    Madsen says:
    'Plans are being put in place for the mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.'
    Imagine evacuating that many people and maybe more of the tens of millions of people who live on or within 200 miles of the Gulf coast, but then that would be just the scale of disaster and compulsion that would allow FEMA, a major asset of the Control System to impose its long-planned martial law on enormous numbers of people.
    FEMA and the military have been preparing for this for years with exercises for just such a situation involving oil pollution, but all records of this were expunged from FEMA-related websites in the weeks before the Deepwater Horizon explosion.
    Anything that affects America on such a scale would have a knock-on effect economically across the world - another bonus for the cabal which is seeking to create maximum chaos on every front to instigate the global problems to which it will offer its global solutions - a world political and military dictatorship.
    www.patriotsprepare.com and www.exiledbroadcasting.com

    and www.governmentisaparasite.com
  8. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    He mentioned "sea running red with blood", and I can only imagine how the bible thumpers are going to just go CRAZY over this.
  9. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    I'm a Bible thumper. I'm not "going crazy" over anything :rolleyes:
  10. alanz

    alanz Monkey+

    The only way I see this happening is if several states (probably the south, Texas, and the midwest) get so fed up that they try to secede from the union (like the last civil war). But I doubt if those states would ever have the guts to actually do it.
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    That's because you watch a lot of AFN [booze][own2]
  12. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    Right...... AFN, that's it. :rolleyes: Your wittiness is amazing.
  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

  14. fortunateson

    fortunateson I hate Illinois Nazis!

    Re-read this. Hmmm.
    Might be some logic here -
    1. Provoke a rebellion
    2. Institute martial law
    3. Cancel elections
    4. Plunder and re-distribute

    Of course, now it's 1:20 in the morning and a lot of things don't seem as they should...
  15. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

  16. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

  17. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    (Think morse code)
  18. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    yeah, I got it and read it. So far as the ... goes, the question remains open.
    .../..../../- ..../.-/.--./.--././-./.../, ./..../..--..

    (I gotta speed up my code reading and writing, way long ago since practiced.)

  19. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    .. - -.. --- . ...
  20. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Yeah, and when Murphy dictates.
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