DOJ Becomes Private Enforcement Army for FED

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  1. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    Defendant Convicted of Minting His Own Currency
    STATESVILLE, NC—Bernard von NotHaus, 67, was convicted today by a federal jury of making, possessing, and selling his own coins, announced Anne M. Tompkins, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina. Following an eight-day trial and less than two hours of deliberation, von NotHaus, the founder and monetary architect of a currency known as the Liberty Dollar, was found guilty by a jury in Statesville, North Carolina, of making coins resembling and similar to United States coins; of issuing, passing, selling, and possessing Liberty Dollar coins; of issuing and passing Liberty Dollar coins intended for use as current money; and of conspiracy against the United States. The guilty verdict concluded an investigation which began in 2005 and involved the minting of Liberty Dollar coins with a current value of approximately $7 million. Joining the U.S. Attorney Anne M. Tompkins in making today’s announcement are Edward J. Montooth, Acting Special Agent in Charge of the FBI, Charlotte Division; Russell F. Nelson, Special Agent in Charge of the United States Secret Service, Charlotte Division; and Sheriff Van Duncan of the Buncombe County Sheriff’s Office.
    According to the evidence introduced during the trial, von NotHaus was the founder of an organization called the National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Code, commonly known as NORFED and also known as Liberty Services. Von NotHaus was the president of NORFED and the executive director of Liberty Dollar Services, Inc. until on or about September 30, 2008.
    Von NotHaus designed the Liberty Dollar currency in 1998 and the Liberty coins were marked with the dollar sign ($); the words dollar, USA, Liberty, Trust in God (instead of In God We Trust); and other features associated with legitimate U.S. coinage. Since 1998, NORFED has been issuing, disseminating, and placing into circulation the Liberty Dollar in all its forms throughout the United States and Puerto Rico. NORFED’s purpose was to mix Liberty Dollars into the current money of the United States. NORFED intended for the Liberty Dollar to be used as current money in order to limit reliance on, and to compete with, United States currency.
    In coordination with the Department of Justice, on September 14, 2006, the United States Mint issued a press release and warning to American citizens that the Liberty Dollar was “not legal tender.” The U.S. Mint press release and public service announcement stated that the Department of Justice had determined that the use of Liberty Dollars as circulating money was a federal crime.
    Article I, section 8, clause 5 of the United States Constitution delegates to Congress the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof. This power was delegated to Congress in order to establish and preserve a uniform standard of value and to insure a singular monetary system for all purchases and debts in the United States, public and private. Along with the power to coin money, Congress has the concurrent power to restrain the circulation of money which is not issued under its own authority in order to protect and preserve the constitutional currency for the benefit of all citizens of the nation. It is a violation of federal law for individuals, such as von NotHaus, or organizations, such as NORFED, to create private coin or currency systems to compete with the official coinage and currency of the United States.
    Von NotHaus, who remains free on bond, faces a sentence of up to 15 years’ imprisonment on count two of the indictment and a fine of not more than $250,000. Von NotHaus faces a prison sentence of five years and fines of $250,000 on both counts one and three. In addition, the United States is seeking the forfeiture of approximately 16,000 pounds of Liberty Dollar coins and precious metals, currently valued at nearly $7 million. The forfeiture trial, which began today before United States District Court Judge Richard Voorhees, will resume on April 4, 2011 in the federal courthouse in Statesville. Judge Voorhees has not yet set a date for the sentencing of von NotHaus.
    “Attempts to undermine the legitimate currency of this country are simply a unique form of domestic terrorism,” U.S. Attorney Tompkins said in announcing the verdict. “While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country,” she added. “We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.”
    The case was investigated by the FBI, Buncombe County Sheriff’s Department, and the U.S. Secret Service, in cooperation with and invaluable assistance of the United States Mint. The case was prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Jill Westmoreland Rose and Craig D. Randall, and the forfeiture trial is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Tom Ascik and Ben Bain Creed.
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  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Don't make your own money --the privately owned Federal Reserve hates competition.

    So much for liberty.

    Our greatest enemy is our own ignorance.

    I challenge any form of "Democratic Government" to take on the sovereign people directly. No, they must resort to using propaganda, lies, force, bribery, extortion, infiltration, disruption, FEAR --we aren't falling for it any more.
  3. BAT1

    BAT1 Cowboys know no fear

    How dare him try to save himself and others from the upcoming economic downfall!
    Only they can make money, which is paper and violates the Coinage act. Coins are legitimate money.
    Only they can deal drugs to our school kids by allowing Cartels free access to our country to support the banking system. So are they going to do that to states when they go back to Gold and Silver?
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    I wonder at this a bit. HOw did he manage to accumulate 7 million frns worth of silver? Seems also that he's spending (inserting into circulation) for less than he has in it considering the work needed to go into minting it. I'm confused. Unless he's adulterating the silver somehow.

    People were allowed to buy into the program, trading FRNs for Silver. I always wondered why he uesr $ and Dollar on his coins since, to me, that was going to always tie them to $Dollars rather than the oz of Ag.

    They ought to boil these counterfeiter, anti-usa, terrorist, raghead lovin, mother scratchers in oil on Anderson Cooper 360.
  5. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

  6. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    Erm, 16k pounds? Now how much was shorted by JPM? 3.3B Oz.?

    Looks like we've found 233K OZ. that could be shifted over to JPM under the table. If we consider it all to be silver.

    Wonder when they are going to go 'Mining' other folk for it?

    Surprised that they don't have our teeth removed as a 'Death Tax'

    Damn FED.
  7. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    better yet.


    Sec. 485. Coins or bars

    Whoever falsely makes, forges, or counterfeits any coin or bar in
    resemblance or similitude of any coin of a denomination higher than 5
    cents or any gold or silver bar coined or stamped at any mint or assay
    office of the United States, or in resemblance or similitude of any
    foreign gold or silver coin current in the United States or in actual
    use and circulation as money within the United States; or
    Whoever passes, utters, publishes, sells, possesses, or brings into
    the United States any false, forged, or counterfeit coin or bar, knowing
    the same to be false, forged, or counterfeit, with intent to defraud any
    body politic or corporate, or any person, or attempts the commission of
    any offense described in this paragraph--
    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than fifteen
    years, or both.

    So let me get this straight, now that they are deemed counterfeit those 12 idiots just make every liberty dollar subject to confiscation and the possessor liable to be prosecuted? Obviously you just need to be breathing to mess up a way for individuals to invest in a precious metal.

    Well i guess they feds don't like competition for their SAEs.

    My 2 post 1983 copper clad zinc cents.
  8. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I love how everything is some kind of terrorist act anymore.

    Wait a minute, "undermine the legitimate currency of this country", didn't .goob do this to us some years back? So now they admit that they are the original domestic terrorists? And what about, "represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country", just look at what's been happening in the last few years. Guess .goob does not need anyone else helping them out with this, there doing a great job.
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  9. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    ef em
  10. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    I always wondered why he placed $ and Dollar on his rounds. To me, that seemed to tie them to the dollar rather than tieing them to the oz of Ag.

    They ought to boil this commie, terrorist, anti US, rag head lovin', how dare you, mother scratcher in oil on Anderson Cooper 360 tomorrow. I bet they found WMDs in his warehouse too.

    Does possession of Liberty Dollars constitute a crime as well? If so, I'm buying some tomorrow
  11. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    I am internally debating the exact same thing.[stirpot]
  12. melbo

    melbo Hunter Gatherer Administrator Founding Member

    if I can't, I'll make my own... Survival Monkey End the .Gov silver rounds.
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  13. Falcon15

    Falcon15 Falco Peregrinus

    Need help shipping them? I offer my vast logistics experience to be used at your discretion. Point me at it and I can ship damn near anything, anywhere, and write a safety program regarding the minting of said ROUNDS at the same time, which complies with all current OSHA regulations.
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  14. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    This is just icing on thew cake. Charge as much as possible so something sticks. He may meet some loose (non-existent) definition of "terrorist" by the way the legislation is written.... if challenged, it will likely be struck down in the end.

    If we are talking about power of the US gov't and where its derived, new terrorism legislation didn't suddenly give the Fed its power. The interstate commerce would be the beginning. Not that the ICC was inherently evil, but anything there after the Fed just had to prove that "X" affected interstate commerce. Hence the ability to regulate guns, alcohol, coins, you name it.

    In the end, the dude should have just built a currency for use that didn't resemble US currency.
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  15. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    just don't call the money... call them silver medallions and you are in the clear... Place the weight and quality of silver on them and go.... or Thalers... thats what the dollar originated from

    Thaler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Thaler (or Taler or Talir) was a silver coin used throughout Europe for almost four hundred years. Its name lives on in various currencies as the dollar or tolar. Etymologically, "Thaler" is an abbreviation of "Joachimsthaler", a coin type from the city of Joachimsthal (Jáchymov) in Bohemia, where some of the first such coins were minted in 1518. (Thal is German for "dale" or "dell"; they all mean "valley". Therefore a "thaler" is a person or a thing "from the valley". In 1902, the official spelling was changed from Thal to Tal. The English version does not reflect this change.)

    add "Give me liberty of give me death" and "Only usable for Barter" a monkey face on one side and a monkey butt on the other...
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  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Holy monkeees, this is awesome!

  17. Witch Doctor 01

    Witch Doctor 01 Mojo Maker

    Don't make me send for my flying monkeys...:D
  18. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I like the front, but think it needs the monkey butt on the back. That way if you start getting crap about your coins, you can hand them one heads up then tell them to turn it over and kiss it!
  19. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Hm. I could get behind the idea of SM challenge coins.
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  20. Mountainman

    Mountainman Großes Mitglied Site Supporter+++

    I'm in!!! For under $6 per 2" no color coin in qty. 100-299, counting die mold fees, not a bad deal.
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