domestic terrorists: ( look in the mirror)

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Tango3, Dec 16, 2006.

  1. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    domestic terrorists: (look in themirror)sorry, old news '01
    mentioned the constitution this week? Talked abourt policing the police?You too could be considered a domestic terrorist:[flag]

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    "Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?
    by Angel Shamaya
    November 14, 2001
    APPEARS TO BE OLD NEWS -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back during Clinton's Presidency, asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement."
    Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, its wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint at least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people:
    "If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":
    "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"
    [That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]
    "Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training"
    [Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]
    Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who
    "Request authority for a stop"
    [That's illegal now?]
    "Make numerous references to the US Constitution"
    [That's illegal now?]
    "Attempt to 'police the police'"
    [That's illegal now?]
    And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:
    "Lone Individuals"
    [Do you meet that description?]
    [Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]
    Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:
    1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.
    2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.

    The flyer is a tri-fold, so you'll have to turn your head sideways to read one of the sections.NOTE: The far right side of the above "Front Page" is the actual front of the tri-fold flyer. The far left side of the above "Back Page" -- the part that mentions the 'defenders of the US Constitution' -- is the inside flap... the first thing you see when you open the flyer.

    According to Terry Chapman of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office -- whose name is on the flyer as the MCSO contact -- the FBI created the flyer and printed the MCSO and Attorney's Office before the text was approved. He said it was created as a full color brochure to hand out to officers, not for the general public -- and that as soon as he saw it, he urged them not to use it, knowing it had some problems.
    "The flyer never got off the ground," said Officer Chapman, "but it did manage to make it's way out -- and maybe it's right that it did." He genuinely didn't like this piece of junk, and he showed true concern about my issues with the flyer, too. "We were not happy with it. It was formulated, I think, for legitimate purposes, but it fell on stony ground because of the way it was worded -- the unfortunate profiles that were put in there outraged a number of people who received it."
    "It's dead in the water as far as I know," said Chapman. "I just can't imagine the FBI putting it out there again. It wasn't for the public. The fact that it's circulating again has gotta be by unofficial sources."
    Mr. Chapman couldn't name the FBI agent who created the flyer, saying the individual who created it was no longer with the FBI's Phoenix branch, which he described as having "revolving doors." Sheriff's officers didn't like the flyer, either. Said Chapman, "I had a Lieutenant from our own office call me and ask 'Am I on your list?' Am I a threat?' for supporting the constitution?'" Chapman was embarrassed by the seeming targeting of "decent, honorable segments of the community" by the flyer -- he hoped it would never be handed out or go anywhere at all.
    According to Chapman, the FBI approached the Sheriff's Office saying they wanted to put a flyer together to help local law enforcement raise officer awareness about who to watch out for. They asked for a local contact name and number for use of a flyer they wanted to produce, and because Terry Chapman heads up MCSO Intelligence, he was the likely candidate. Possible lesson for Chapman: don't let yourself get used by misguided federal agents again.
    The big question: Why the hell does the FBI have someone running around promoting that Defenders of the Constitution (and the common law from which the Constitution was born) are domestic terrorists?
    The FBI has not returned phone calls on this matter. But suffice it to say that there has been at least one unAmerican weasel running around their camp urging people to turn against We The Real American People. We'd sure like to know this fool's name and location within the Bureau. If you track that information down, please contact me personally; we've got a bone to pick with him and his boss, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft.

    FBI Phoenix Office
    Special Agent in Charge - Guadalupe Gonzalez

    FBI's "Civil Rights" Website:

    FBI's "Counterterrorism" Website:

    FBI Arizona Regional Offices:

    The Maricopa Sheriff's OfficeMaricopa County Attorney
  2. ColtCarbine

    ColtCarbine Monkey+++ Founding Member

    I would never speak out against .gov, I'm happy with the direction they are leading us. [booze]

    Copy of color brochure...
    terrorist1. terrorist2.
  3. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    There was another post about this a while back. There was also a letter from the FBI stating that this was supposed to be an internal memo and not for public distribution..duh..
    Face it guys, "we have faced the enemy and he is us" Pogo the Possum
  4. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Maybe I'll reignin my rhetoric alittle,seems speech is not being so cheap anymore....
  5. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    So, using the same sort of logic as you cited elsewhere, how is it we are also "Man of the Year"?

    We are "Man of the Year."
    We are the enemy.
    Therefore the Man of the Year is our enemy.

    Start shooting anything that moves ---[booze]

    Ah iz so confoozed --[dunno]
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