Don't Tread On Me!!!!

Discussion in 'Freedom and Liberty' started by Yard Dart, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    FILE -- Oct. 9, 2015: Leslie Corp holds up an American flag and the Gadsden flag in Roseburg, Ore. (AP Photo/Ryan Kang)

    The "Don't Tread on Me" Flag just got trod upon – by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

    The EEOC is investigating whether the Revolutionary War-era Gadsden Flag could be considered a racist symbol in the workplace. In recent years, the yellow flag with its coiled snake has also become a symbol of the Tea Party.

    “Whatever historic origins and meaning of the symbol, it also has since been sometimes interpreted to convey racially-tinged messages in some contexts,” the EEOC report states.

    The distinguished writer Eugene Volokh first exposed this absurd story in the pages of the Washington Post. Here’s the back story:

    In 2014, a black government worker filed a complaint alleging he had been discriminated against by a coworker who wore a ball cap that bore an insignia of the Gadsden Flag.

    The aggrieved government snowflake “found the cap to be racially offensive to African Americans because the flag was designed by Christopher Gadsden.”

    The EEOC report goes on to identify Gadsden as a “slave trader & owner of slaves.”

    The overly-sensitive employee “maintains that the Gadsden Flag is a ‘historical indicator of white resentment against blacks stemming largely from the Tea Party.”

    The EEOC conducted a “thorough review” and found there was no evidence that the flag was created in a non-racial context.

    “Moreover, it is clear that the flag and its slogan have been used to express various non-racial sentiments, such as when it is used in the modern Tea Party political movement, gun rights activism, patriotic displays, and by the military,” the EEOC report states.

    You can almost feel the “but” coming, can’t you, good readers?

    “However, whatever the historic origins and meanings of the symbol, it also has since been sometimes interpreted to convey racially-tinged messages in some contexts,” they declared.

    Citing the “ambiguity in the current meaning” of the Gadsden Flag, the EEOC has decided to investigate to “determine the specific context.”

    The government’s ruling is going to open up a great big can of worms, folks. They are basically suggesting that if an item is used in a racially-tinged context or if a worker thinks something may be racist – it is therefore racist.

    What happens if a white guy shows up to work with fried chicken and collard greens in his lunch pail? Could he be accused of cultural appropriation – even if he simply enjoys finger-licking good cuisine?

    As Mr. Volokh pointed out – there was no evidence the gentleman who wore the Gadsden Flag cap said or did anything racist to his coworker.

    The worker’s sole objection “was apparently just to the wearing of the flag, and the ideology that he thinks has become associated with the flag,” Mr. Volokh surmised.

    Well, using the government’s logic, they could very well ban white bed sheets and reruns of the “Dukes of Hazzard.”
    Is the Gadsden flag racist? | Fox News
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  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    One can not help, what another perceives of a Symbol... To base a Discrimination Complaint, on such a subjective issue, is beyond me... I would be in Federal Court, appealing any such decision...
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  3. VHestin

    VHestin Farm Chick

    Well that's what people are taught to do, become an effing whiner about anything you don't like, claiming it's 'bigoted'...
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  4. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey

    Let's see...
    First they go rid of the Confederate Battle Flag
    Now it's the Gadsden Flag
    Which flag is next?
    When do they come for the US Flag?
  5. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    That is exactly their aim IMO.
  6. Bandit99

    Bandit99 Monkey+++ Site Supporter+

    Frankly, I don't give a spit what the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission thinks or says. Lots of people were slave owners back then. Next they will be banning Jefferson. I do thank them for helping me make up my mind whether I should put up a flag pole or not. And, the Gadsden Flag will be flying right under the stars and stripes. These people need to get a REAL job because they definite got too much time on their hands if they come up with crap like this.
  7. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Amen brother!!!!!
  8. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

    I have both flags the Confederate Battle Flag and the USA we fly them both at times when people start whining the confederate flag comes up I actually got a few more when they tried to ban them, I have two for my truck as well and of course the American flag. :)
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  9. Pax Mentis

    Pax Mentis Philosopher King |RIP 11-4-2017

    I have to say that this piqued my sense of humor a little. A "government worker"...working for a government designed and established by a group made up of mostly slave owners. And yet a hat makes it a hostile workplace.

  10. marlas1too

    marlas1too Monkey+++

    when slaves started to come to our shores there were more BLACK slave owners than white ones and lets not forget the indentured people of all colours that sold themselves into virtual slavery just to have a chance of freedom----ITS part of our history that the liberals that are trying to erase and rewirte so stand up---ps I wonder what the libs think of the flag Molon Labe
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  11. MountainMariner

    MountainMariner Clearly Ambiguous

    I have nothing but maduros in it...


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  12. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn RIP 1/13/21

    Actually in the 1860 census, only 8% of the population were slaveholders. Of these aprox 500,000 were black freemen who owned slaves.
    So, just to correct your statement above about lots of people back then were slave owners. In truth a very small percentage of the population just prior to the Civil War were slave owners!
    Feel free to look it up yourself. I know I am correct!
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  13. Salted Weapon

    Salted Weapon Monkey+++

  14. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Brewery Monkey Moderator

    I have to wonder though, what percentage 500,000 black slave owners was of the black population?

    Let's see...

    Total population in 1860 - 31,183,582
    slaves as a percent of the Total Population - 13%

    So, 31,183,582 X .13 = 4,053,856 slaves in the U.S. in 1860

    Assuming they were all black, 500,000/4,053,856 = .1233 or ~12.33%


    Numbers from 1860 Census Results
  15. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    Also depends on the definition of "slaves". A good many of the "slave" population were actually sold into indentured servitude. Both European and African. Many slaves were Irish. They preferred slavery in the US to starving in their homeland. The Arcadians in Lousiana, which we know today as "coon asses" were indentured servants. The term coon ass came about when the Arcadians migrated down the east coast from Canada and began arriving on the Gulf Coast. They indentured themselves to land owners and were put in the fields following the black slaves to learn how to pick cotton. Thus the term "a coons ass"
  16. Gator 45/70

    Gator 45/70 Monkey+++

    Allen West is reporting that the Navy just told O'Bozo to basically stick it.
    The Gadsden will be allowed in certain branches and worn by seals, They must however pay for their own patch.....
  17. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Good point. There is more than just a tad of difference between indentured servitude and slavery. In a way, servitude might be seen as slavery, and indeed some may have treated it so. In the more common situation, a craftsman took an apprentice who indentured himself to learn the trade (or as happened, his family signed him up.) The period of indenture varied greatly, but the idea was that the apprentice would achieve status as a craftsman, and while learning the craft, the craftsman provided room and board in return the labor.
  18. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    That's true with traditional European indentured servants, wherein the goal was to learn a trade. That was common also in the original colonies. However the southern "slaves" of European descent, mostly Irish, were simple laborers who sold themselves for usually very long times, if not for life. Many were given a type of sharecropper status after years of service. Including many of the black slaves. The number of traditional African slaves was not as numerous as modern history likes to portray. Many were given their freedom to fight for the south in the civil war. The last confederates to surrender was the crew of a submarine which included a free black. The last official confederate unit to surrender was an all black unit that vowed to fight to the death when cornered and surrounded on a mountain top in Georgia. After running out of ammo and food they reconsidered and surrendered.
    History is written by the victors not the vanquished.
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  19. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Our IBEW apprentices are indentured for 5 years before they turn out (JW). Many of them liken their status, to that of being our slaves..... :lol:
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  20. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    I started learning with pushing a broom , & then I screwed up & they gave me a smaller broom .
    Slave !! , I was paid to do work , and was to learn !! .

    This was when we had dial coin phones at 10c a call ..
    WORK WAS Work , not cell phone time breaks !!

    WTF !!
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