Drinking Rain Water.

Discussion in 'Survival of the Fittest' started by Big Ron, Jul 26, 2020.


  1. Big Ron

    Big Ron Monkey++

    I am curious if you do it and how you treat it. The county makes it sound like your insane to do it.(yeah, I know)
    I figure a few filters and a Germicidal light, with a carbon filter. My other idea is for a large sand/charcoal homebuilt filter thing off some plans. I am curious about what others think.
     
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  2. Ura-Ki

    Ura-Ki Grudge Monkey

    No issue with basic filtering, however, some states forbid collecting and storing, so it's a don't ask don't tell kind of deal!
     
  3. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    If you have a AC unit it's easier to drink the condensate.
    Yes I know about lead but all my connections are made with high grade silver solder.
    In fact that is one of the designs I put into use on this home.
    And I have a UV-C system at the intake just below the coils, so much for fungi and others.
    Always have chemical free water for the house plants too.
    Battery water is no problem either.
    Never have to wonder if the cats have a source of water as the over flow ends up outside and one of the new arrivals of dumped cats now has the drip container as her home base and guards it,sleeps in the cool and lives a strange life.
    So many ways to NOT waste water.
     
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  4. DKR

    DKR Raconteur of the first stripe

    How you collect the rainwater is as important as how you will store/treat the water.

    The stuff that comes off urban roofs could be used in the garden, it nothing I would ever drink, treated or not. There is a reason the more rural parts of the "undeveloped world" have metal roofing.

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    Personally, my rainwater catchment system looks like this
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  5. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    Run it thru some kind of filter, and a UV light, and I wouldn't have a problem drinking it. Likely better for you than a WHOLE LOT of municipal water systems.

    Our local utility water intake is on a river about a mile downstream of an EPA superfund site they trucked all kinds of nasty stuff in during the 70's from all over the east coast until the locals started meeting the trucks with shotguns.

    Then above that a couple more miles is a nuclear fuel plant that produces fuel for the Navy......and has been rumored to have lost more than a few pounds of plutonium over the years (Nah....all 'accounting errors')(or more likely where the Israeli's got the stuff for their cache of nuclear weapons.....no, really.....some real heavy lunchboxes went out of there)

    Then throw in the fact they dose the water with that leftover industrial waste/poison (flouride) and I wouldn't drink the stuff if they piped it to me and gave it away for free.
     
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  6. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    HL&P Buried some/many old oil filled transformers 1/4 a mile from my home.
    Had the same stuff in the oil as used in Agent Orange.
    Key facts
    • Dioxins are a group of chemically-related compounds that are persistent environmental pollutants (POPs).
    • Dioxins are found throughout the world in the environment and they accumulate in the food chain, mainly in the fatty tissue of animals.
    • More than 90% of human exposure is through food, mainly meat and dairy products, fish and shellfish. Many national authorities have programmes in place to monitor the food supply.
    • Dioxins are highly toxic and can cause reproductive and developmental problems, damage the immune system, interfere with hormones and also cause cancer.
    • Due to the omnipresence of dioxins, all people have background exposure, which is not expected to affect human health. However, due to the highly toxic potential, efforts need to be undertaken to reduce current background exposure.
    • Prevention or reduction of human exposure is best done via source-directed measures, i.e. strict control of industrial processes to reduce formation of dioxins.

    Said they cleaned it up later, What they did was build a Loop over it.
    Dioxins and their effects on human health
     
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  7. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    What state are you in?
    I'm in new mexico and our water outlook is "we are screwed". The state is encouraging people to do rain water collection.
     
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  8. TnAndy

    TnAndy Senior Member Founding Member

    Yeah, that is some of the stuff buried up river here. Old iron/zinc/lead mine site from the 1800's, they were trucking the stuff in at night and dumping down the shafts. Local folks were finding all kinds of weird stuff in their wells, and finally put a stop to it. Added to the EPA Superfund site list, but I don't think anything was ever done to clean it up.
     
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  9. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    Texas, Dioxin was buried in west side of Houston.
    Just east of Jersey Village.
     
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  10. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

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  11. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    No place is safe where man has mined!
     
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  12. Ganado

    Ganado Monkey+++

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    The EPA reports that dioxin exposure can damage the immune system, lead to cancer, interfere with hormone production, as well as lead to reproductive and developmental problems. WHO claims that short-term exposure to high levels of dioxins can result in skin lesions like chloracne, patching of the skin, liver damage, and excessive body hair. So, it would benefit anyone to limit their exposure.

    There are a few ways to do that. Eat less meat and fish. Not only is it more environmentally sustainable (it takes a whole lot more energy to raise a cow than, say, grow brussels sprouts), but it will reduce exposure to dioxins that have accumulated in animals’ tissues. Ninety percent of human exposure to dioxins comes by way of food, primarily animal products, fish and shellfish particularly. Concentrations of dioxins in water are relatively low but given that they bioaccumulate and have a half-life inside the body of up to 11 years, it’s not worth taking the chance.

    To protect your water, get an in-home water filtration system. Activated carbon (widely used in water filtration) has been shown to reduce the number of dioxins within water bodies. Whether the filtration system covers the whole house or just the kitchen sink, a home filter will reduce the number of dioxins in drinking water and hence, lower the amount that could be bio-accumulating and causing health problems down the line.

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  13. Big Ron

    Big Ron Monkey++

    Northern AZ has Uranium mining and the cancer center treatment place is full of Navajos. I've read all kinds of stuff about dumping and things ending up in the Aquifer up here. Lots of Cancer up here also.
     
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  14. Cruisin Sloth

    Cruisin Sloth Special & Slow

    6 Stage Reverse Osmosis Ultra Violet Sterilizer Water Filter System Uv Ro GPD | eBay

    We use this for all cooking and drinking / beer making ..
    I get my water tested every year B4 that above system ^^^ and another test after the water has been thru the filtration .. Im 70 this year , many think im 50 , eat well and the best water in the world , work well / smart and don't do any drugs is my secret..
    I also filter the entire house at 10 micron for the taps and aerators.
    S
     
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  15. arleigh

    arleigh Goophy monkey

    In every home I have lived I install a whole house filters.
    This insures that no sand gets in and ruins facet valves.
    They also capture a lot of debris in the system and make you think twice about drinking it.
    Secondarily I have Britta filters on the kitchen and bathroom sinks.
    The house elements get changes every few months and the Britta gets replaced almost once a year.
    It changes in frequency due to the condition of the water.
    On a side note, I met a man that worked for the water treatment plant and he admitted they add Fluoride to the water.
    Reverse osmosis is about the most efficient way of removing it.
    As for rain water you don't want to be consuming the first few minuets of rain as it is washing out the atmospheric dust and debris.
    I have no trouble consuming snow the last of the snow fall is cleanest.
    However pay close attention to things if there is another Fukushima melt down. we had radio active snow for months afterword all the way to the east coast.

    One reason I prefer metal roofs is that they are least likely to be adding any thing to the water.
     
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  16. T. Riley

    T. Riley Monkey+++ Site Supporter++

    I run it through a Berkey water filter, chlorinate it and it taste just fine and didn’t kill me.
     
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  17. 3M-TA3

    3M-TA3 Cold Wet Monkey Site Supporter++

    Oregon, a state where moss will thrive on your car if you don't wash it, made it illegal to store rain water. There was a high profile case in the southern part of the Willamette valley where a farmer spent 30 days in jail for collecting rainwater. I guess its another one of those progressive green policies coming out of Salem,
     
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  18. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    It's all about control. If you provide your own food and water you're hard to control and you are dangerous because you might show other people how to do it.
     
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  19. HK_User

    HK_User A Productive Monkey is a Happy Monkey

    And keeping you under the TAX Hammer.
     
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  20. oil pan 4

    oil pan 4 Monkey+++

    I tell people the government hates it when people heat their homes with locally sourced firewood because they don't make any money.
    Same idea with water.
    But here, with water when we run out people will leave en mass and so will their tax dollars, so for here rain water collection is good for the long game.
     
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