ELE or Adam and EVE?

Sure, but what is demonic? And, what is a fallen angel? If we're referencing dogma, then there's no chance to scientifically analyze this claim and have both sides agree. It's a good thing this is only your belief, as I do not wish to make this a religious topic or else we're going to move it to the proper place, and it's fine to hold any belief you wish. The point I'd like to make is what we choose to believe inevitably ends up restraining us from creatively and even sometimes, logically thinking. Once you place your belief in something, all progress is sure to end. You've decided, that's it, done.

Thousands of years ago, the science and technology we have today would have made those people believe we are gods or demons ourselves, and aside from that being hysterical it rings true, too. Although we are much unlike our ancient predecessors, we are, despite our many technological advancements, still an infant race. We are so far beneath the scale of development, it doesn't even register to the positive side compared to an advanced race that could, theoretically travel the stars and colonize worlds. Even with Moore's Law in place (a doubling of computer processing every 18 months), the exponential curve is still rather staggering. I mean, scientists are still trying to use liquid/gaseous/chemical fuels to propel space craft and there's absolutely nothing else that even comes close, and that's considering the numerous ideas out there. Our own universe is so staggeringly massive; life could exist all over without us even knowing it. I would say demons and angels are constructs of our short timeline and thoughts, the creation of the minds of men, the blink of a subatomic particle and nothing else, really. I only say this based on my own experience, and I'm pretty sure the prophets never mentioned demons or angels flying around in orange glowing triangle shaped ships, unless I missed something.

When we think about "reality", everything we see, smell, hear, and touch are the result of being a part of this third dimension we inhabit. As far as humans may be concerned, we've got really poor senses. I'm serious, on the scale of everything animal, we are damn close to being blind, deaf, and useless when it comes to our sensory attributes. It is only with our scientific instruments that we can gain a greater perspective. How much of this existence is real, and how much is actually fiction and fantasy?

 

Can you, now? And how can you be sure that I haven't seen something similar? I've attended rituals, some who are ignorant of its purpose may call it "Satanic". I have seen what you describe as "demons", but this they are not. I have skryed (scrying) and meditated and projected --and been attacked by the "little nasties" before. There are a lot of unknowns in the universe, but one thing is known: the religious determination is absolutely and positively incorrect. There's no hell, no Satan, no demons. If you see different cultures all portraying something as "Demonic", it's ultimately your own perceptions of what is portrayed which betrays you. Often times, the greatest "demons" are those within ourselves. Some rituals attempt to gain power through the transference of energy, be it from death or sexual interaction, and even conquering the higher dimensions. Not everything you see is real, and can just as easily be the manifestation of your own self through the higher dimensions or a reflection of energy from your self (higher consciousness). Also bear in mind that each person has energies at all times, some may see this as a aura, or in the astral realm, as a being or entity, and also as a mere presence. We may also attract other energies to us, knowingly or unknowingly. The universe and all within it are interacting at different, varying intensities and through multiple dimensions. If we were to ever recognize and consolidate these energies and make them manifest into a single being, it could be a continuation of your self or it could be something new. But, breaking the falsities inherent with traditional dogma is necessary to gain understanding, otherwise your fear will control the outcome of any interaction.

The Bohemian Grove type of secret political wrangling, where high ranking politicians wear black robes and partake in a ritual with 40 foot tall stone owls and wicked chanting is more for show and entertainment than anything else. There is a significance to be gleaned with the rituals, but it takes actual knowledge to understand the meaning. Long before there were Christians and Catholics, and long before the English language ever developed, the Druids lived in harmony with nature, locked away from other influences. And, although much remains a mystery with Druidry, some certainties can be established. As best I can surmise, "Demons" were not a part of their construct. Again, it's your own perceptions that you are forcing into being based on the formulations of dogmatic principle that's getting in the way and prohibiting you from seeing anything else.

You've accepted a belief in demons and satan. All hope for progress now ends.

 

It's quite the conundrum. Sometimes, I wonder how many are faking it. Reminds me of the move, "Contact" with Jodie Foster. The whole movie is based on the concept of the existence of aliens and humanity's belief in God, and which may be real or imagined. It's brilliantly written, and many people may not even comprehend the full extent of the struggle between the two concepts. The lead character played by Foster is a hardened scientist who holds no room for religion at all, but it is only after her experience toward the end of the movie that she finds herself asking the whole of humanity to trust her based solely on her word. That's the crux of the whole debate with religion since everything about it has been told to others in story or written down based on a revelation, which is a personal experience. There's no proof, no evidence at all, only your word that you've seen and experienced something remarkable. The sole aspect of science which separates it from religion is that it requires proof through repeatable experimentation. In modern times, the "data" can be corrupted, made up, not entirely true, and actual facts may be obfuscated due to big money and corporate agendas --but we can still filter through the lies and reveal the truth if we know what we're doing. In a way, religion has some of the very same attributes, if you really think about it long enough.

 

Well, since you insist.
I'm certain @enloopious doesn't mind where this topic is now located. I am just as much at fault, anyway.
Please, carry on respectfully.