Election 2010 - The Tea Party

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ghrit, Aug 17, 2010.


  1. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

  2. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    If I was US citizen, I'd probably be in that party...I just don't like the name...sounds funny and wimpy...I'd call it something like Eagle party, or American Guard party, or US People party...
     
  3. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    Bane, for us it has historical significance. The "Boston Tea Party" was an early example of American Patriots sending the King of England a scathing message on his taxing our people unfairly.
    So, today's "Tea Party" seeks to send a similar message, though less violently.
     
  4. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    OOOOPPPPSSS....Crapola...sorry guys...I had no idea...

    :oops:
     
  5. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Adventure Riding Monkey Founding Member

    No problem! Just an interesting bit of American History. [beer]
     
  6. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    I just realized something...In Yugoslavia, since we were a federation, none of the republic had constitutional right to split from YU... but US is a confederation, so, can't any of the states that are unhappy decide to kick feds out and like claim independence?...I mean, like not being part of US anymore? Or is it against your constitution also?
     
  7. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Secession is possible under the Constitution, but there are a few hoops to jump through to get there. Rather easy to get out, rather a LOT more complex once out. Unless a serious student of the pros and cons can get at the consequences in detail, it just won't happen. The Tea Party exists, more than anything else, to stuff the noses of the pols with the stink of piss poor performance, and it is across state lines such that single or multiple states aren't in play, it's the whole nation.

    On the other hand, maybe we could get the District of Columbia to secede and take the traveling clowns from all 50 states with it. [drooling]
     
  8. STANGF150

    STANGF150 Knowledge Seeker

    Us southerners tried that once. But they missed our tax dollars too much, thus the War of Northern Aggression!
     
  9. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    That could work...and then call them foreigners, illegal aliens, and stop them leaving DC... b::
     
  10. cornmonkey

    cornmonkey Monkey+

    I have never held to any party because they, the big two have made fools of the American public for years. I,am a third party voter 90% of the time its who i vote for not who i vote with ( party lines ). If the teaparty has the better choice lipton it is.
     
  11. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Oh, how I wish we had a few million more just like you Bane. [freedom]

    Secession is perhaps the only answer, but too many Americans are divided and kept ignorant to see the real picture. Sure, we will cause economic turmoil --but we will have it anyway if we decide to stay aligned with the FED.

    Of course, the step after that is war. Force is always initiated by the FED because it's easy to have other people die for your own pathetic desires (speaking of the fat, greedy politicians and bankers).

    Of course, we also have the occasional patriot who is stuck on nostalgia and won't let go of the past. Get over it! We have never known freedom in our lifetime! The only way to make progress is FORWARD! [js]

    The "Tea Party" will never be successful UNLESS it forcefully keeps no leadership and continually refuses to accept compromising. If it becomes too dangerous to the establishment, it WILL be dismantled (and it can be quite easily, too). There are already informants and conspirators all over just waiting to pull a rip cord --and it will be even easier to destroy it if they can manage to acquire enough religious participants. How do I know? U.S. Taxpayer's Party, now known as the "Constitution Party" --infiltrated, reorganized, and led astray by radical religious FBI and their hateful minions. Now the party is useless and does nothing. US Libertarian Party: even easier to destroy. All that was needed was a few "intellectuals" and an extreme form of their own logic to gain enough support for the extreme form of liberty --anarchy. Now, the party is so divided and pinned against itself, no progress is ever made!

    The "Tea Party"? It doesn't have much hope...but here's hopin' they can inspire a new revolution (peaceful would be great) and alter the course of history. As long as they remain leaderless, and do not permit religion to become a trait, I think they may have a chance.
     
  12. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Many thanks for your kind words Brokor... :)
    Yes, could be force, violence, people will die...but! The mighty Nazi army was defeated in the Balkans by small force of hungry, typhoid, badly clothed, weakly armed men!
    US lost in Vietnam...And how did US came to be? Made a deal with Brits? Peacefully?
    No force can defeat people fighting for their homes! Do you think any soldier would like to be confronted by angry. determined people with guns, fighting for their families?!
    Hell, if I was that soldier, I'd shoot myself in the leg and get the heck out of there!... :D
    A man on his land fighting for his family has NOTHING to lose! He is attacked already! He has no options but to fight and win or die...And if some "inat" is in place?! Hell...If I was that soldier, I'd volunteer to be abducted by aliens immediately! ... :D
     
  13. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Your rationale as to why these new parties have failed and will continue to fail is the number 1 reason why I think that the unfortunate result will be 1 of the following (in no specific order).
    1. Spiral to Communism
    2. Secession (with no war, though not likely)
    3. Secession (with war)
    4. War leading to secession

    ...yeah. Sorry for being a pessimist here, but I really don't see a way out of this if the Tea Party doesn't clobber them all in November.

    Isn't if funny, though, how there's usually a gradual slide towards "Democrats in office" after a few years of Conservatives in office; and how once those Democrats are in office, it's almost always a hard core flip back to a Conservative administration?
     
  14. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    How do you figure spiral to communism? I can see the other 3, but this? It might be even possible if we were talking about Balkans, but US?...In US people were frightened for decades with communism, so how do you think that spiral might happen?
     
  15. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    Brother.. have you noticed the draconian things that they've put into place?

    Over time, people either fight or put up with it. Usually it's fight (political upheaval) , give in, then back to fighting (War).

    During the "give in" stage, people just accept that "this" is the way it "is" and there isn't much they can do about it. It's a long road there and if, over time, there are more people that think the gov't should be their nanny, then there will be more people that like it and who accept it than are willing to fight. That's how underground resistances are formed; small pockets of revolutionaries that are fighters and are tired of slavery.
     
  16. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I agree with you almost entirely, per usual --but there is a myth about communism that most people just take for granted. It doesn't have to be publicly declared to exist.

    I have studied the theory of communism for a very long time, in detail and I am still asking questions. One question in particular is, why is the origination of communism (Moses Hess, Engels, ties to banking) so riddled with secrecy and false stories concerning Russia, when most of us (who study real historical accounts) know that it was Lord Milner's Round Table and other European banking influence which spurned the Bolshevik Revolution. Another question is, why does communism only get used to infiltrate existing governments and ultimately destroy them utterly? It may take a little while, but history proves that it is a certainty. Communism is the extreme form of democracy --and its massive power structure resides within the dominating government, with one equally poor class of people aspiring to go nowhere. The answer to both is one and the same: communism benefits and protects the few.

    We are not going to receive "communism" in America one day. We have been living in its shadowy embrace for decades under the guise of "Democracy". They both accomplish the same purpose. So, this begs the question...what's next? Publicly declared communism? No. Why take away the people's illusions? No, the final step will be full-out tyranny in the form of whatever fascist ideals the corporations decide to employ. What was once achieved with battle will be acquired with a new strategy: economics. The 1920's and 30's was the greatest live demonstration of its potential, with the hidden motives right out in the open for the world to see. But the world chose to look at Hitler and ignore the undertakings of the man who came into power and abruptly left at roughly the same time. The world chose to see chaos and suffering but ignore the stupendous grab of power and outright abuse of authority in the American executive office. The world saw concentration camps and mass exterminations perpetrated by the Nazi's, but very few will know about the euthanization campaigns, the fluoridation of water supplies, mercury and other deadly chemicals added to nearly all foods and drinks...slowly killing with time and blissfulness. The world chose to hate Hitler, and love FDR and the allied forces. Just as the people hated to be herded into concentration camps in the past, they will adore their captors in the future.

    I don't even need to get into the facts at how the USA absorbed Nazi assets, including their scientists and studies and resumed their research for them in secret, do I?

    Hook, line, and sinker. The people will applaud their own enslavement. Mark my words.
     
  17. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Huh...Brokor...buddy...have mercy on me...you're pulling my tongue badly!
    I just spent 30 minutes typing something, and decided to delete it...

    I hate politics...I wish I had an enemy around to discuss some politics or religion...or maybe I'll go get laid...I need to vent...
     
  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It's only life, after all. ;)

    "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." -Bertrand Russell
     
  19. UGRev

    UGRev Get on with it!

    The image I had in my head when I was writing my post was that of some "Elitists" holding a blanket over the USA and telling the crowd.. "Just wait, you'll love what we've done to the place" in the left box and in the right box, after the reveal, " TADA! Amerika!" with looks of despair and anger among the crowd.
     
  20. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    rofl yes. And Bane, I hear you. I believe you when you say that your own society was much different. Not all applications of communism are the same, each can be molded to suit the country and region, most have been destructive, a few exist in disguise, and on rare occasion quite comfortable to live with. I do not share any illusions with you, however...but this is because I did not live in the Yugoslavian society. One point we can both agree on for certain is this: it no longer exists. We must search for the answers. Change happens, no society is absent its own rate of entropy --sooner or later, they all crumble to dust.

    Perhaps the reason your society was so peaceful and well-off was to create a false sense of security and wealth in order to balkanize you at the right moment when you were weakest to defend your lives. Again, communism being used as a tool to destroy from within.

    I uploaded some more books if you wanted to read them. A definite eye-opener for sure.
     
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