Election 2010 - The Tea Party

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by ghrit, Aug 17, 2010.


  1. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned


    Yugoslavia was actually an attempt to bring peace between Serbs and Croats, but millenniums of hostilities just can't go away in 50 years. You must understand that communism was not being used as a tool. It would turn out the same no matter what system we had, simply because we didn't go to war over economic or ideologic differences, but strictly nationalistic and religious! Whether it was communist, capitalist or even feudal system, that was NOT the problem!
    We had 3 religions in a small space, muslim, catholic and orthodox...Plus Serbs and Croats are in conflict like forever! In WW2 croats were with Nazis, and they killed over 700.000 Serbs, Jews and Gypsies in concentration camps! Serbs will never forget that, I can guarantee you that much! And all that talk about "Balkanization"...west is trying to picture people from the Balkan Peninsula like barbarians and savages! And yet we have history going back for 6000 years! From tribal times! We had dynasties, kings, czars and culture when Europe was a bunch of savage tribes! We invented the cutlery for god sakes! Fork was first used in Serbian Royal court! And now we are barbarians?
    Forget all the things you red about Balkans and communism...It's all propaganda anyways! We just had to be portrayed like that so US and NATO could justify bombing us!
    Do you now about the conflict in Macedonia with the Albanians? When it started, we thought that we'll destroy the terrorists fast...and we started doing a pretty good job.... And then US interfered! US sent their trainers to train the terrorists in the woods! US armed them with latest gear and weaponry! And all that didn't help them...we still kicked their butts!
    Then Solana came and told our government that we will be bombed by NATO immediately if we don't back off and leave the poor terrorists alone! And we weren't allowed to call them terrorists anymore! Wasn't good for US image!...supporting terrorists and all...
    Next thing we know, we were ordered NOT to shoot at the terrorists, under threat of imprisonment for disobeying orders!!!! Imagine us in a trench, terrorists shooting at us with machine guns, 50 cal US snipers and mortars, and we are forbidden to defend ourselves and ordered NOT to shoot back! Terrorists ethnically cleansed a village on the outskirts of my city...kicked out or killed all non-albanians out. Our police (not Army!) decided to take them out...
    They surrounded the village, just ready to bust in when..."UN-CIA" people showed up and demanded for the police to stop. Police chief told them to stuff it, so then they asked for one hour pause...
    15 minutes later, 11 buses from US camp arrive, with covered windows...
    They board in all the terrorists and their US trainers, and drove them out!
    Police found only empty village...
    Doesn't matter...what goes around, comes around...but after all the bull and propaganda, I don't trust anyone anymore...

    Peace... [freedom]
     
  2. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    I already knew about this. I think it also further proves my point. It wasn't the first time the US secret government has intervened, and it won't be the last.
     
  3. bnmb

    bnmb On Hiatus Banned

    Unfortunately...But I'm very happy that at least some people outside know what was happening!...
     
  4. ghrit

    ghrit Bad company Administrator Founding Member

    Something to consider in November

    "A STRANGER IN OUR MIDST" American Thinker, April 29, 2010
    The following essay by Robert Weissberg, Professor of Political Science - Emeritus at the University of Illinois, Urbana, offers a description of what most Americans are feeling about our government, but haven't been able to articulate. Every once in awhile, someone comes along and uses just the right words to describe a situation. This is it.

    April 29, 2010

    A Stranger in Our Midst

    By Robert Weissberg, Professor of Political Science - Emeritus at the University of Illinois , Urbana

    As the Obama administration enters its second year, I -- and undoubtedly millions of others -- have struggled to develop a shorthand term that captures our emotional unease. Defining this discomfort is tricky. I reject nearly the entire Obama agenda, but the term "being opposed" lacks an emotional punch. Nor do terms like "worried" or "anxious" apply. I was more worried about America 's future during the Johnson or Carter years, so it's not that dictionary, either. Nor, for that matter, is this about backroom odious deal-making and pork, which are endemic in American politics.

    After auditioning countless political terms, I finally realized that the Obama administration and its congressional collaborators almost resemble a foreign occupying force, a coterie of politically and culturally non-indigenous leaders whose rule contravenes local values rooted in our national tradition. It is as if the United States has been occupied by a foreign power, and this transcends policy objections. It is not about Obama's birthplace. It is not about race, either; millions of white Americans have had black mayors and black governors, and this unease about out-of-synch values never surfaced.

    The term I settled on is "alien rule" -- based on outsider values, regardless of policy benefits -- that generates agitation. This is what bloody anti-colonial strife was all about. No doubt, millions of Indians and Africans probably grasped that expelling the British guaranteed economic ruin and even worse governance, but at least the mess would be their mess. Just travel to Afghanistan and witness American military commanders' efforts to enlist tribal elders with promises of roads, clean water, dental clinics, and all else that America can freely provide. Many of these elders probably privately prefer abject poverty to foreign occupation since it would be their poverty, run by their people, according to their sensibilities.

    This disquiet was a slow realization. Awareness began with Obama's odd pre-presidency associations, decades of being oblivious to Rev. Wright's anti-American ranting, his enduring friendship with the terrorist guy-in-the-neighborhood Bill Ayers, and the Saul Alinsky-flavored anti-capitalist community activism. Further add a hazy personal background -- an Indonesian childhood, shifting official names, and a paperless-trail climb through elite educational institutions.

    None of this disqualified Obama from the presidency; rather, this background just doesn't fit with the conventional political résumé. It is just the "outsider" quality that alarms. For all the yammering about George W. Bush's privileged background, his made-in-the-USA persona was absolutely indisputable. John McCain might be embarrassed about his Naval Academy class rank and iffy combat performance, but there was never any doubt of his authenticity. Countless conservatives despised Bill Clinton, but nobody ever, ever doubted his good-old-boy American bonafides.

    The suspicion that Obama is an outsider, a figure who really doesn't "get" America , grew clearer from his initial appointments. What "native" would appoint Kevin Jennings, a militant gay activist, to oversee school safety? Or permit a Marxist rabble-rouser [Van Jones] to be a "green jobs czar"? How about an Attorney General who began by accusing Americans of cowardice when it comes to discussing race? And who can forget Obama's weird defense of his pal Louis Henry Gates from "racist" Cambridge , Massachusetts cops? If the American Revolution had never occurred and the Queen had appointed Obama Royal Governor (after his distinguished service in Kenya ), a trusted locally attuned aide would have first whispered in his ear, "Mr. Governor General, here in America , we do not automatically assume that the police were at fault," and the day would have been saved.

    And then there's the "we are sorry, we'll never be arrogant again" rhetoric seemingly designed for a future President of the World election campaign. What made Obama's Cairo utterances so distressing was how they grated on American cultural sensibilities. And he just doesn't notice, perhaps akin to never hearing Rev. Wright anti-American diatribes. An American president does not pander to third-world audiences by lying about the Muslim contribution to America . Imagine Ronald Reagan, or any past American president, trying to win friends by apologizing. This appeal contravenes our national character and far exceeds a momentary embarrassment about garbled syntax or poor delivery. Then there's Obama's bizarre, totally unnecessary deep bowing to foreign potentates. Americans look foreign leaders squarely in the eye and firmly shake hands; we don't bow.

    But far worse is Obama's tone-deafness about American government. How can any ordinary American, even a traditional liberal, believe that jamming through unpopular, debt-expanding legislation that consumes one-sixth of our GDP, sometimes with sly side-payments and with a thin majority, will eventually be judged legitimate? This is third-world, maximum-leader-style politics. That the legislation was barely understood even by its defenders and vehemently championed by a representative of that typical American city, San Francisco , only exacerbates the strangeness. And now President Obama sides with illegal aliens over the State of Arizona , which seeks to enforce the federal immigration law to protect American citizens from marauding drug gangs and other miscreants streaming in across the Mexican border.

    Reciprocal public disengagement from President Obama is strongly suggested by recent poll data on public trust in government. According to a recent Pew report, only 22% of those asked trust the government always or most of the time, among the lowest figures in half a century. And while pro-government support has been slipping for decades, the Obama presidency has sharply exacerbated this drop. To be sure, many factors (in particular the economic downturn) contribute to this decline, but remember that Obama was recently elected by an often wildly enthusiastic popular majority. The collapse of trust undoubtedly transcends policy quibbles or a sluggish economy -- it is far more consistent with a deeper alienation.

    Perhaps the clearest evidence for this "foreigner in our midst" mentality is the name given our resistance -- tea parties, an image that instantly invokes the American struggle against George III, a clueless foreign ruler from central casting. This history-laden label was hardly predetermined, but it instantly stuck (as did the election of Sen. Scott Brown as "the shot heard around the world" and tea partiers dressing up in colonial-era costumes). Perhaps subconsciously, Obama does remind Americans of when the U.S. was really occupied by a foreign power. A Declaration of Independence passage may still resonate: "HE [George III] has erected a Multitude of new Offices [Czars], and sent hither Swarms of Officers [recently hired IRS agents] to harass our People, and eat out the Substance."

    What's next?
     
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