Emergency kits

Discussion in 'Survival Medicine' started by monkeyman, Aug 6, 2005.


  1. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    A good money saver for the white gas is to buy it labled as 'naptha' at the hardware store. It is generaly cheaper than buying it as coleman fuel and is the same stuff. If you have to scrounge for it or buy it where you can get it then while its a LOT more expensive way to buy it, Zippo fluid is also the same stuff and most every convenience store and grocery store sells it.
     
  2. duanet

    duanet Monkey+++

    Be very carful of naphta or coleman fuel. It is very volitile and I have seen the fumes go down a hill 25 or 30 feet to an open camp fire, may have been heavier than air or due to a breeze, than the flame run up the fumes and set fire to the can. It was on a picnic table and other than scaring the heck out of everybody, did no real damage. The cans can rust in you basement and leak also. That could be a bad scene. Don't particularly want my BOB wipe me out in case of a car accident. Carry a survival candle instead. Light, heat and you can scrape it off thin and use it to start a fire if needed.
     
  3. snowbyrd

    snowbyrd Latet anguis in herba

    nice thread

    sheesh, covered alot of ground, I would add an alcohol heater in the winter A 1# coffee can, Roll of tp and a pint of rubbing alcohol. Take the dar dar out of the tp, the cardboard tube thing shove it in the can, You did save the plastic top and metal one didn't you? Place the metal top in the can, put a bic lighter on top and replace the plastic lid. Buy 2 or 3 pints of alcohol and keep in the trunk. When needed remove plastic lid, remove lighter remove metal lid. Dump in the aoh and wait a couple of minutes for the alcohol (aoh) to soak up into the TP. Light it up and stay nice and toasty. Crack a window for ventalation. Ya gotta breath[dunno] . I don't put the aoh in until I need the heat 'cuz then I can use the TP. snowbyrd
     
  4. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    The only naptha I actualy carry in my BOB is about a dozen of the tobasco bottles from MREs cleaned out and refilled with zippo fluid and lables removed so they are obvious. Each bottle is about right for 1 refill of a zippo. Then I carry a pint of alcohol and a small alcohol stove for cooking on if needed. I mostly mentioned the naptha and its alternate forms for folks who had and wanted, planned or needed to use things that use it for fuel, although I also do buy naptha from the hardware store by the gallon for use in zippos just because its WAY cheaper that way.
     
  5. MbRodge

    MbRodge Monkey+++

    Just to add my two cents worth, I keep a couple of those fire starter logs(you can get them for a couple bucks at your local Wal-Mart, or outdoor store if you still have a soul and don't shop at Wal-Mart!) I know how to start a fire from a match and kindling like any outdoorsmen, but in the wind/rain with wet wood and an onset of hypothermia...you really can't beat a firestarter log...and it will continue to burn for a couple hours if you just CANNOT get wet wood to catch. I'd rather spend five bucks for starter logs and a couple lighters than die from overconfidence in my god-like firestarting abilities.
     
  6. MbRodge

    MbRodge Monkey+++

    Re: Old BOB -- long time no see

    Did I mention that I'm in the AF? I've managed to "missplace" and later "find" a few quart jars of jet fuel...and some field first aid kits with items like quick clot, field dressings, electrolyte concentrate etc...and MRE's. D*** my forgetfulness, somehow [dunno] I never seem to be able to find these things until AFTER they've been written off the inventory!
     
  7. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    Magnesium/flint firestarter bar is "permanently" attached in my main swiss army knife. works great, I have started a fire in a light (summer) rain with wet kindling ( okay and some birch bark tinder , I cheated alittle). birch bark rules.[reddevil]
     
  8. wolfmonk

    wolfmonk Monkey+++

    Is the mag/flint bar attatched by a key chain (I have a BSA Hot Spark attatched to my Vic Rucksack) or is it on the body of the knife? If so can you post a pic?
     
  9. Mortis

    Mortis Snake Eater

    If I might make a couple small suggestions.

    A GI Style, folding entrenching tool has a varity of uses. Stored in the vehicle, it will not take up hardly any space and is light enough not to add very much to a pack if so inclined.

    Also a Gardner's shovel or trowel can be handy for a BOB. Small, lightweight and can find dozen of uses such as digging a cat hole for the depositing of human waste.

    If a firearm is included in any kit, then a simple cleaning kit for it can come in handy. Nothing worse then a firearm that is cruddy or rusty when you need it the most.

    Just thought I'd try to contribute.
     
  10. Tango3

    Tango3 Aimless wanderer

    No, Nothing fancy just the "crappy little ball keychain. suppose a key ring could be used and would be more secure...I just don't ever separate them.
     
  11. Ommega

    Ommega Monkey+++

    Thanks! That was something that I've been wanting to do for a long time. We get on some very lonely roads out here in the Winter and could get stuck for a long time. I'll pass this on to friends!
    Your Bud,
     
  12. RobertRogers

    RobertRogers Monkey+++

    I have always enjoyed lists like this; you can get alot from them. Thank you guys!
     
  13. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    Bug Out Gear
    Edit: Anything that has money estimations are items I have not bought yet.I am a poor university student, cant afford much right now...
    Defense:
    I am in Canada so these prices reflect that and the laws around gun control


    ~ 5,000 rounds of ammo for each
    Canadian Firearms Liscence (both Restricted and non)
    $200.00
    Hunting Rifle + Ammo
    $3,600.00
    Varmint Rifle + Ammo
    $2,000.00
    Shotgun + Ammo
    $2,000.00
    Handgun + Ammo
    $2,000.00
    Compound Bow + Arrows
    $1,500.00
    Safe for Firearms & Ammo
    $5,000.00
    Transportation:
    4x4 +
    Winch system Electric and Hand
    2 Front mounts and 2 Rear Tow mounts
    Tow strapping (~ 30 ft x 2)
    Big gauge Chain (enough to fill a .50 Ammo Can)
    Hi-Lift system
    Big Bush Push Bars on Front with additional mounts for snow plow or cow catcher
    NATO Jerry Cans (extra 10 Gals)
    Jumper Cables
    Mechanical knowledge to Repair & TO DRIVE IT
    ~ $10,000.00 + Time to make modifications

    Quad
    Double Muffler system for silence
    Game racks on both ends
    Trailer to haul them in the truck
    KNOWLEDGE TO REPAIR & TO DRIVE
    ~$9,000.00

    Dirt Bike
    250cc bike
    Four Stroke
    Storage cases on the tail
    KNOWLEDGE TO REPAIR & TO RIDE
    ~ $6,000


    Manual Bikes
    Full suspension Mountain Bike
    Personal Gear:
    These are the things that I keep on my body at any time when out in the bush.
    Pocket Kit
    Goes into a small weatherproof case
    Matches
    Candle
    Flint & Steel
    Magnifying Glass
    Needles & Thread
    Fish Hooks & Line
    Compass
    Button LED Light
    ~15’ Snare Wire
    Flexi Saw
    Mirror / Red Mirror
    Med Kit:
    Pain Killers (500mg tabs x 150 )
    Immodium (x 50)
    Antibiotic (Tetracycline 250mg tabs x 40)
    Antihistamine
    Water purifier
    Potassium Permanganate
    Surgical Blades
    Butterfly sutures
    Straight Razor
    Bandaids
    Condoms (unlubed and non chemically treated) to hold water…Pervs.
    Pocket Knife
    Machete
    Multi-tool
    Hatchet
    Torch
    Head lamp
    Hand flashlight

    Butt pack Survival kit:
    Things that could go in the ass end of an alice pack or molle butt pack. I use a leg pouch system. It even has spots on the front sides to put your sidearm. :D
    Mess Kit
    Folding solid fuel stove
    Fuel tabs
    Penlight
    Pen Flare Gun
    Flares
    Marker Panel (reflective material tape)

    Butt pack Survival kit continued:
    Matches
    Tea
    Dehydrated food
    Dehydrated meat
    salt
    cheese
    Chocolate
    Personal Gear continued:
    Ranger Bag
    Perm. marker / Ballpoint pen
    Survival Log
    Soap (Biodegradable/unscented)
    Water Filter
    Big Pack:
    This is my monkey on my back. This is on top of everything that I would have on the butt pack.
    Sleeping bag
    Tent
    Hennessy Hammock
    Tarp
    500’ of Para cord
    Two MRE’s
    Full Axe
    Entrenching tool
    Bigger Med kit (same as above plus extra supplies)
    Snakebite Kit/Tick Kit!
    Respirator for CPR
    Gauze
    Medical tape
    Waterproof tape
    Ankle wraps
    Band-aids!
    Neosporin stuff
    30’ of 1” tubular webbing
    Pot for boiling water on
    White gas stove
    White Gas extra fuel bottles
    Water bottles
    Clothes:
    Enough for 2 changes over 1 week
    Adapt to the Climate
    In North West Winter wear Rain slicks / Winter Parkas
    In North West Summer Wear quick dry clothes
    Wool Sweater (If in the NW region get a Cowichan Sweater they’re the best)
    Extra set of boots
    Scarf
    Gators
    These are all the things that would go on a single person
    I know it looks like a lot of pieces but they are almost all either small and light or relatively so.

    Any suggestions on what to add?
    Also I borrowed heavily from the New edition of the SAS survival handbook. A Great thing to have, just replace the idea of "Be seen to be rescued" with "Stay Quiet and unseen to kill the baddies" :eek:

    Also Up here north of the border, other people are not so much our enemies as the nature and the weather is.
    If you look at the weather for up here right now you might understand.
    Thanks
    Later
    CBMS
     
  14. franks71vw

    franks71vw Monkey+++

    Wheres the best place to get 550 cord and whats 770cord?
     
  15. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    550 and 770 are pretty much the same thing just the different tensil strengths of papachute cord. Cheaperthandirt.com has it fairly reasonable in various quantities.
     
  16. CBMS

    CBMS Looking for a safe place

    also any PX you have on a local Military base.
     
  17. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Unless you are retired or current military though then you generaly cant buy from the PX, around here you cant hardly even go on the base unless you are family, active military or a contractor with business on base.
     
  18. zarraza

    zarraza Survivalist in training

    i think the food saver would be a great idea if you were packing your vehicle especially - for some that have regular cab pickup trucks, you could compress down several things like clothes, towels, etc and hide them behind your seat - in the event you expanded them, you could throw it in a trash bag (also sealed in your kit) for the trip back home or to next destination.

    speaking of food savers - has anyone got any hints / tips / tricks on how to use a foodsaver to prepare MRE style meals / sides?
    in the grand scheme of things, MREs are pretty expensive, but while cooking a meal or two, it wouldn't be that hard to make a little extra for your MRE kit - the hard part i'm trying to figure out is how to "preserve" the food so it wouldn't need refrigeration.

    which also begs another question - anyone have a recipe for "homemade" MRE heaters? that would be a neat thing to have - only if the ingredients were kept in seperate BOB (to avoid accidental heating of your entire pack)
     
  19. monkeyman

    monkeyman Monkey+++ Moderator Emeritus Founding Member

    Add water to lime and you get lots of heat, similar to MRE heaters.

    One thing I have been working on for food for the kits is a modification of a rice dish I eat at home. Basicly the rice, powdered cheese (like from a mac & cheese box), dried jhalapenos, pepper, salt, powdered salsa mix (or a seperate can of rotel), dried minced onions, garlic powder, beef base/bullion and chopped up beef jerky. Toss it in with some water and boil it up untill the rice is done and makes a pretty good meal that will keep as well as an MRE but takes up less space and weight then any stuff you can come up with along the way like extra meat, wild onion, maybe some cattail roots or whatever can be added to it to strech it further or whatever. I know an amount of it that would fill a soup can will make enouph to feed a couple people pretty well.
     
  20. Nrey

    Nrey Monkey++

    That first post...doent it have too much for a survival kit? Lots of that stuff is unneeded
     
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