Discussion in 'Faith and Religion' started by skyking, Aug 7, 2011.

  1. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    Just wondering where you folks think we're at in Daniels timeline and is the Middle East dominating or other outside factors like Wormwood/Elenin or weather .Have the seals/trumpets already started or ....

    ‪('quiet music' version) Elenin: Does it 'Fulfill' Biblical Prophecy on 9-29-11??‬‏ - YouTube

    The Beginning Of Sorrows ~ PROPHECY HAS NOW BEGUN 2011

    ‪The Beginning Of Sorrows ~ PROPHECY HAS NOW BEGUN 2011 (WARNING contains some graphic images)‬‏ - YouTube

    Contreversial Prophecy video

    ‪Controversial prophecy video.flv‬‏ - YouTube

  2. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Sonny, there have been Earthquakes in Diverse Places for centuries. If you had any scientific understanding at all you would already know, this important FACT. The number and frequency of magnitude 5.0 and higher Earthquakes has not statistically increased since recorded history began. DUH...... THe only reason the seem to be increasing is due to better and quicker reporting of there existence, when they occur. Double DUH.....
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  3. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    you mean stats like this right....?

    Earthquake activity from 1973-2011 charted

    Earthquake activity from 1973-2011 charted - Earth Changes and the Pole Shift
    Magnitude 4+ several charts up to an 8plus ,this is crazy the increase in activity..

    Magnitude 4+

    Magnitude 5+

    Magnitude 6+

    Magnitude 7+

    Magnitude 8+
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  4. Seacowboys

    Seacowboys Senior Member Founding Member

    open mouth; insert foot...he got you there BT...LOL...
    Black is white if you change the name. I really hope all the religious right are wrong...There is enough scary **** going on without all the gods getting their tits in a wringer too.
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  5. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    By God's titties, ye shall know them.....

    I know that wringers exist....caught my finger running nappies, towells, socks and jocks through them (jocks = underwear from a brand of Australian athletic briefs) through them..... When I see a god's nipples bare and proud...then I'll start worrying about "end times". ; )


    Given that the sampling only covers some approximate 40 years.....and that the earth is many millions of years older than the 6 thousand or so years posited by new Earthers (biblical creationists)...I doubt whether any recently increased frequency means anything at all with regard to biblical end times prognostications of Nostrodamas scale clarrity and reliability. Goddidit ought not to be the default hypothesis. Evidently some seem to be incapable of looking at natural processes without positing supernatural causes...groan
  6. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    40 years is less than an eyeblink in geologic time...
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  7. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    BT we're or I'm referring to a compressed time ,end times,the seals ,trumpet judgment,tribulation ect.Your right as rain up until just the last few yrs things were plodding along as they always have and then...can you in your life really remember ever having these types of weather extremes and they're everywhere?

    [FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif] Comet races toward Earth at peak of God's holy days

    [/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Pastor asking: 'Will there be some type of magnetic pull? Will the poles shift?'


    Read more: Comet races toward Earth at peak of God's holy days Comet races toward Earth at peak of God's holy days

    for the record I'm not in complete agreement with the preacher on this video {he came with the article} and I'll post some sites where more scientific rather than emotional data can be found...
  8. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    Bad News from NASA: Proof That Comet Elenin Is Affecting Ear

    Bad News from NASA: Proof That Comet Elenin Is Affecting Earth

    Dr. Mark Sircus, Contributing Writer
    Activist Post

    This is going to be the most extraordinary communication so fasten your seatbelts; we are in for a rough ride. I have known in my heart for months that I would have to make a communication like this but had no idea it would be this soon. Back in January, while investigating the underground city that is alleged to have been built under the new Denver Airport, reported on by the former governor Jesse Ventura, I put the puzzle together and came to the conclusion that a planetary event was in store for us in 2012.
    NASA -Warns Employees and Families to BE PREPARED (for what?!)

    -- JPL Small-Body Database Browser


    Comet Elenin Research Team

    The Extinction Protocol: 2012 and beyond | 2012 and Earthchanges News events

    SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids

    Earthchanges College ~ Survive PX
    Current news & discussion of Earth Changes & Planet X, and how to survive

    Earthchanges College ~ Survive PX - Current news & discussion of Earth Changes & Planet X, and how to survive


    ELENIN - A Lot Of Confusion « Rapture In The Air Now

    SHTF411.com &bull; What's New, What\s Hot
  9. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

  10. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    End of Days Series

    I like these guys and well enter at your own risk

    The "End of Days Series" is intended for mature believers in the faith only.The material presented in the series is an attempt to discern the times using current events coupled with the revelations of the prophets of the Bible. By NO means is any teaching to be interpreted as an absolute solid understanding of end times events. You are required to test all information and draw your own conclusions. The studies are only intended to ignite discussion and further testing and research. Information contained in these studies could be speculative and only entertaining data supported possibilities. It must be realized that 119 Ministries could at any time change or delete any information presented in these studies because of new information or scriptural insight. This is a real possibility and thus keep your faith in Yahwah and His presentation of end times events and timing, not men's.

    By entering into this area of 119 Ministries you are indicating you understand all of this.

    “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand."​
    Daniel 12:9-10

    "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
    Revelation 1:3

    119 Ministries ~ Test Everything - End of Days Portal

    pt 1
    End time prophecy has been the topic of many debates. Yet many prophecy students and teachers alike lack the foundation that is needed to truly understand what the prophetic scriptures point us to. This opening teaching of the End of Days series is a necessity for all who desire to grow in their understanding the basics of end time prophecy.

    pt 2
    Are you looking for a 7 year tribulation to begin soon? Do you expect it to start with the antichrist signing a 7 year peace treaty with Israel? Did you know that Daniel 9 is the only text in the scriptures that many attribute this 7 year time frame with? Have you ever challenged this view? Or have you just accepted what others have taught on it? We are excited to present this second teaching of our End of Days series as we all pursue to grow in our understanding and continue to test everything.
  11. chelloveck

    chelloveck Diabolus Causidicus

    This is my final post in this thread

    Quite frankly, continuing to respond to the ecclesistic tinfoil mitre woowoo stuff (aka 2012 prophesies) doesn't merit further oxygen to keep it rolling along towards end days perdition.

    Does "compressed time" operate outside of the laws of nature??? I suspect things (whatever things may be) will continue to plod along, as they always have, long after you ..and I dare say your children's children have passed away...albeit possibly on foot or horse mounted rather than in a gas guzzling SUV.

    As BT so eloquently pointed out in post #6
    Why are we as humans so homosapienscentric when it comes to looking at natural phenomena that have been occuring over prehistoric geological time scales. You have shown a mere 40 years of data, which as BT has pointed out have been derived with the benefit of recent advances in technology (data capture, data recording, data transmission, data processing and data analysis) and advances in the science of weather, climate, geotectonics etc etc. What we have experienced in present human memory, though very interesting to us because WE are the ones experiencing them...are of little importance in the totality of life on earth since this planet formed.

    It is quite possible that in ancient times when during the height of Chinese civilisation, a
    was cutting edge earthquake detection technology, that geotechtonic events were in fact more frequent, and of greater intensity than the geotectonic events recorded in recent times. Is it not conceivable that what seems cataclysmic to us, from our own specie's egocentric viewpoint...is just a ho hum iteration of natural cycles that have been occuring ever since the Earth's crust formed?

    Note1: It seems like an exercise in shoe-horning current events to fit the confines of biblical "prophecy", relying on an "interpretive" pair of sectarian spectacles.

    Critiques of biblical propecies can be found at the following sites.

    Debunking Christianity: End Times: A set of prophecies or a set of hallucinations?

    Problems with prophecy from the Bible and Koran | Digital Bits Skeptic

    Prophecies in the Bible

    Failed end of the world predictions from 30 to 1920 CE

    2012: Six End-of-the-World Myths Debunked

    Note 2. This is a long winded disclaimer, that what is presented by the website should NOT be taken as gospel, rather that a scientific approach to the subject. i.e. testing the information (aka evidence), and drawing one's own conclusions (based on the evidence so adduced) should be used. Very odd for a theistic site to suggest scientific methodology, rather than dispensing the usual sectarian nostrum of taking it all on faith.

    Note 3. Now THIS IS the kind of dislaimer that should appear as the preface to ALL sacred documents. Would that it were so...sigh.

    Note 4. In other words, if a prophecy fails to materialise as predicted...we reserve the right to redact, reinterpret prophecy or change the prophecy goal posts as we see fit.

    Note 5. No matter what happens, keep faith in your god's juju...if you are having doubts that god's juju is not working...don't blame god...it's probably man's fault.

    Note 6. This is the kind of portal warning that one might expect, warning people that if they are not adults, they shouldn't be swanning about in a website that purveys pornographic sleaze. However, I think they were actually suggesting in a rather cumbersome way that those entering should already be seriously credulous believers in the faith...the site is not intended for skeptics or doubting Thomases.
  12. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    The Main Players of End Time Prophecy

    The Main Players of End Time Prophecy Woman of Revelation 12
    Revelation 12:1-5
    And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

    The dragon is clearly Satan, and the man-child is clearly Christ. The woman you say on the basis of Genesis is very generalized to include the church it sounds like. There's more symbology that can't just be overlooked. Everything in scripture is there for a reason. Bypassing certain things and basing a theory on incomplete evidence isn't solid foundation. There's a couple symbols you left out of your assessment.
    • A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars with child [singular]
    Genesis 37:9-11
    And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying.

    • According to how Jacob himself interpreted this:
      • Sun = Jacob (Israel) [Rev12 woman: clothed with the sun, identified by her clothing which is Israel]
      • Moon = Rachel (mom) [Rev12 woman: standing upon]
      • 11 stars = 11 brothers [Rev12 woman: crowned with the 12 tribes of Israel (their father). We see the 12 tribes identified with the doorways in and out of New Jerusalem as well. (Revelation 21:12)]

    • She brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron
    Psalms 2:9
    Thou [Yeshua] shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

    Revelation 19:15
    And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he [Yeshua] should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    Revelation 2:27
    And he [he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end] shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
    *We are fellow heirs with Christ, not the other way around. The prophecy of Revelation 12 is specifically talking about Christ being born through Israel and being caught up to God.
    • The Meshiach Nagid was prophesied to come from the lineage of Israel along with other prophecies that place Christ being born of a virgin and of Jewish lineage. Indeed, all of our scriptures are Jewish and Romans 11 is quite clear on how important Israel still is to Him.
    Now this all fits perfectly and we see more clearly using all of the scripture and spanning all of scripture, from beginning to end, that the Meshiach Nagid would be Jewish. The prophecy of Revelation 12 clothes the woman with the symbol for Israel as seen in a vision by Joseph and recognized as symbolizing himself, his wife and 11 sons by Jacob. I didn't have to interpret anything with my own conclusions, the Bible did it all. That is a more sure foundation on what these symbols mean.
  13. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    Jim Staley - The End of the Age Part 1- Understanding Prophe

    Jim Staley - The End of the Age Part 1- Understanding Prophecy Understanding Prophecy-Part 1-The Role of Egypt This is by far the most requested message we have had to date. There is no greater subject in the bible that is talked about more than End Times Prophecy. Now more than ever it is imperative for every believer to know and understand how the End Times events will unfold so that the believer will not be caught unaware. We do not want to find ourselves as the 5 foolish virgins that were caught unprepared for the Bridegroom's return. This series will educate you on End Times events and prophecies as well as catapult you into a new stage in your life of holiness and spiritual growth as Jim compares the Egypt crisis with our own spiritual walk.

    this is a really good series for those not quite up to date so to speak and ties in well with the post..

    ‪Jim Staley - The End of the Age Part 1-...

    ‪Jim Staley - The End of the Age Part 2- Understanding Prophecy‬&rlm; - YouTube

    ‪Jim Staley - The End of the Age Part 3- Understanding Prophecy‬&rlm; - YouTube

    ‪Jim Staley - The End of the Age Part 4- The Rapture‬&rlm; - YouTube

  14. VisuTrac

    VisuTrac Ваша мать носит военные ботинки Site Supporter+++

    We are safe. We got Bruce Willis, Ben Afflack and Billy Bob Thorton to save our azzes. They did it once back in 1998. They can do it again. But I'm still trying to figure out how Bruce got off the rock before the nuke went off.

    Oh well, I'm not gonna worry about that. Hey how bout them White Sox?
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  15. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

  16. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    Trib Trooper Survival Kit

    nothing would make me feel better than for this stuff to just be more "stuff "

    if however it is more than normal"stuff"at least this group of folks that will have read these post will not be caught unaware

    a few articles for those that would rather read or broadband handicapped like I am.

    Monte always has a good spin on things and since these were all written this yr I think he's feeling the "pains"also

    17.8-st. Torah and the Last Generation
    August 2011
    The Torah is the story of one generation – the generation who left Egypt with Moses by God's mighty hand of judgment, who then received the Torah to transform them from slaves to free men and prepare them to enter the land promised to their fathers. The first book, Genesis, explains where they came from and why they went to Egypt to begin with; but the Torah does not end with that generation entering the promised land. Instead, in the last book of Deuteronomy Moses looks forward and speaks to another generation – the final generation at the end of the ages.

    17.7-st. Trib Trooper Survival Kit
    July 2011
    The Bible speaks of a time when the believers will have to flee their homes and cities and survive in the "wilderness of the peoples." It a time referred to as the Great Tribulation. It begins at a future Passover and concludes three-and-a-half years later at the fall holiday of the Feast of Trumpets. Those who do not escape, survive, and endure to the end do not see the physical return of the Lord. Instead, they perish earlier attempting to fight or being taken captive by the enemy. The prophet Ezekiel describes this greater exodus of the nations and our survival during that time.

    17.5-st. The Sign of the End
    May 2011
    The spring of 2011 has been quite memorable so far. In fact, I do not recall any other time in my life that there has been so much interest in the "end of the ages" and the "end of the world as you know it." Even the news media, including print and video, have programs addressing this subject.

    17.4-st. The Beginning of Sorrows
    April 2011
    Yeshua's disciples asked Him what we should expect to see before His return at the end of the age. The question came about when the disciples marveled at the beauty and size of the temple in Jerusalem. Yeshua warned them that soon "not one stone will be left upon another." It is only reasonable that they would then think that Yeshua was referring to the end of the age and the Day of the Lord! Surely, God would not allow the temple to be disturbed unless everything was coming to an end...
  17. Ajax

    Ajax Monkey++

    I believe we are in the end times, I don't think a lot of the 2012 "predictions" people have been talking about are accurate but I think we are on the cusp of the end times.

    The Bible says it will happen "like a thief in the night" so on one side it makes me think the biggest disasters and catastrophes will happen after the rapture.
  18. skyking

    skyking Monkey+

    "like a thief in the night"

    I've included some information I hope will explain some things or at least clear up.I post a lot about the feast and times and seasons for good reason. These articles will explain why and how this phrase ties in with biblical prophecy and more. If we go back to Lev 23 we see the instructions for the times and feast being given out to the Isrealites and all the nations that had come out of bondage in Egypt.Same goes for today.This event is a type and shadow of the Messiah return.I observe all the feast and appointed times as listed in Lev 23 and as of this evening I'm not Jewish.The word jewish is not even found till maybe 2cd Kings and in Ester for sure.

    Theres so much more as this only scratches the surface

    05-cover. The New Moon
    May 2009
    According to the Creation account, God established the sun and the moon with the Earth to solve some timekeeping problems. From observing the sun, moon, and stars we earthlings understand the years, months, and seasons. Simply said, the sun sets the measure of years. Each time the Earth orbits around the sun we say it is one year. The moon sets the measure of months. Each time the moon orbits the Earth we refer to it as a month. The stars of the night sky mark the seasons of spring, summer, fall, and winter. The constellations of the night sky and their placement relative to the horizon give evidence of the Earth’s tilt giving more sunlight to the northern or southern hemisphere.

    Hebrew Idiom

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] In ancient times, when the bridegroom would come for his bride in the middle of the night, it was often referred to as [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“a thief in the night”[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].[/FONT]
    A Thief in the Night

    Christ will Come like a Thief in the Night - YouTube

    The Watchman who falls Asleep
    Unless the Lord guards the city, The watchman keeps awake in vain. Psalms 127:1b My soul waits for the Lord more than the watchmen for the morning; indeed, more than the watchmen for the morning. Psalms 130:6 Anyone who has ever stood a late night or early morning watch can tell you what falling asleep on watch is all about. It is easier than you can imagine. In fact, you must make a diligent effort not to fall prey to it. Drinking coffee, splashing cold water in your face, jumping up and down with vigorous physical activity are but a few of the techniques to stay awake. I know of some highly trained soldiers in combat situations who actually used hot sauce in their eyes to keep awake. You do what you have to do to stay awake on watch.
    In ancient times, the temple was guarded at night. The watchman were required to stay awake on watch. They also tended the altar fire at night to ensure that the evening sacrifice would be completely consumed prior to the morning service. They longed for the dawn of the day, so the light of day would help them fulfill their duty to be awake. They also were aware of someone who would come in the darkness, just before the dawn of the day. That someone was the High Priest.
    It was said that the High Priest would come in the darkness like a thief in the night, that is, he would enter the temple stealthily. If the watchman had fallen asleep then the altar fire would be unattended. The High Priest would gather some coals from the altar and go looking for the sleeping watchman. Upon finding him, he would ignite the bottom of his garments with the fire from the altar. The watchman would awake with his clothes on fire. Obviously, he would tear off his clothes, be wounded, and go home naked. It was a bad scene for him.
    Yeshua used this very scenario to describe His return. Besides, He is the Great High Priest. He is going to check the status of the altar that is in the temple within our hearts.
    Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his garments, lest he walk about naked and men see his shame. Revelation 16:15

    An Introduction and Overview of the Fall Feast

    Introduction and Overview of the Fall Feasts

  19. Hispeedal2

    Hispeedal2 Nay Sayer

    I tend to agree with Bruce in this one.

    The only way that one could prove an increase is to set a graph next to the previously posted data showing that there was no substantial increase in reporting stations.

    To put it simpler, in 1970, there were probably 1/8th the number of seismic meters/stations that there are now. Hence an increase.

    In a recent conversation with an OLD man here in TN, he recollected that the number of tornadoes here haven't increased, but the number of deaths had. He says that its not because of the "intensity" of the storms, but the fact that suburban sprawl has increased the human interaction with storms that used to kill cows (in what used to be farmland). While its one old man's take, I think he's right on.

    When we talk about extremes, are we including the HUGE changes in climate in the past, like glacial ice ages and other seemingly natural warming/cooling phenomenon?

    Are we in a transition, sure. I'll buy that. Are we in end times? Only God knows (not even the Son knows). Is there a point to worrying about it? Only if your heart isn't right. Get it right, live, and be ready.
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  20. Seawolf1090

    Seawolf1090 Retired Curmudgeonly IT Monkey Founding Member

    Too right! It's like the reports we get instantly - even AS IT HAPPENS via cellphone cameras and wireless online..... the tsunami in 2004, earthquakes in the far corners of China and Pakistan..... used to be we might here of these happening years after the fact. Now it's live action. Far more reporting, not more 'events'.
    Also more outlets - if twenty different media outlets report the same event, it seems like it's all over the place.

    Sometimes, just 'too much of a good thing'.
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