Entitlement Experiments...CDN 70's study

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Mindgrinder, Nov 19, 2013.


  1. BTPost

    BTPost Stumpy Old Fart,Deadman Walking, Snow Monkey Moderator

    Time for this issue to end. You have been given two Moderator comments, and continue on, there will not be a third. ......
     
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  2. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    [GR]
     
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  3. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    Well....I can't say I posted this expecting a "civilized" conversation...
    In fact, my preference is just as it is....politically incorrect.
    Frankly I expected moar
    "RARRR!!! HANDOUTS! MY MONEY! SCUM OF SOCIETY! BURN ALL WELLFARE FOLKS!!!"
    But clearly nobody read the article and a few folks here think that living on fixed income is some big lavish party. The people in this study were given a little over 1/2 of what was considered "living in poverty". Enough to pay rent and buy basic groceries. I highly doubt any were driving new 4x4s, fishing and target shooting all day drinking beer and eating steak every night. If you actually read the article it clearly states that the majority of people who stopped seeking work were mothers wanting to raise their kids and students still in school.

    THAT is why I found it interesting in the first place.

    If it's even possible to get back on topic....
     
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  4. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    Best quote in the whole thread.
    Real men are driven to be productive.
    It is in their nature.
    It is in their spirit.
    It is their purpose.

    When reading that article I can't help but wonder how different everyone would be if they simply did not have to worry about a roof over their head and food in their fridge.

    I know some people would rise up and garden like crazy....
    I know some people would hunt, fish, hike, study, write and most importantly THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

    I know this for a FACT because it's what I did when I was off work this part summer.
    The first week I did very little (partially due to meds) but got bored pretty quick....
    Doctors orders where to get as much exercise as possible so I shoveled out a bigger garden than usual, fished more in 3 months than I have in 8 years prior, tore down a barn that should have been done years ago, studied stuff I had on the backburner and a multitude of other little things
    It helped me heal while at the same time keeping my mind off the medical issue that put me in the situation in the first place. I learned a ton of stuff aboot gardening that I never knew before, got 60 liters of home brew wine on the go, gave away tons of kale, tomatoes, peppers etc when I went back to work and generally am very glad I had corporate insurance that paid %70 of my wages during the down time. Granted, I paid into that insurance for 8 years so I don't feel it was a "hand out" and had no government involvement whatsoever. It certainly wasn't a "vacation". The meds were awful, therapy sucked, doctors visits twice a week, blood tests, dental surgery and so forth....

    Truth be told....I could have stayed off work and collected that insurance for the next 28 years and then retired. (with 3% adjusted for inflation raise every year)

    Why didn't I? I was ENTITLED to....
     
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  5. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey

    Yup! The first month waiting for surgery for my leg I was none weight bearing as well as a month after surgery. Another month of partial weight bearing gradully increasing.. I was damn glade to be up and going. The only down side is I am not allowed to stay in the mountains this winter. Doc did say I couldn't hunt, But that I will ignore... Going up sunday and have a young fellow to fetch the dead kritter..

    I had read the article, and I had lived on very moddest income. I fully understand living in a house that had a snow drift stretched across the floor from the cracks in the walls. I have eaten my share of rice and beans with a small piece of meat for flavoring. I hung around and picked at a man until he hired me just to get some work.

    It was a good article and I for one am greatly apriciative that you took the time to post it.. I had the sense most comments where a reflection of personal expiriance.
     
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  6. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey

    Well, I may have got things rolling with my first post. I was flippant.
     
  7. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    In 2012 I told my Director that he was going to fail and that his leadership was inept. The next 5 weeks in transition to my next job I was able to decompress and get a lot of personal task back on track. I was amazed at how much reading I did during this timeframe. If I was not concerned with making the monthly bills, I would be fishing a heck of a lot (in wife speak that is all the time)!!!!
     
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  8. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    They blew the budget they had set for it and it clearly wasn't going to ever roll out nationally in Canada....
    Still...I can't help but think that with all the technology and know-how we have today that we as a society should be working LESS to maintain the basics like roof and food. I'm really not into gearing the world for entitlement living....but 9-5 for life so you can have a small house paid off when you retire isn't exactly "freedom" either.
     
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  9. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    What would you do when the freezer was full?
    Keep fishing and start filling a family or friends freezer?
    Start teaching the neighbors kids to fish?
    Still productive....and much happier?
     
  10. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Buy another freezer.
     
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  11. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey

    I wised up. Was living a little better than hand to mouth and decided that I needed to get to school and do something more. That associates degree has served me well.. I work two sixteen hour shifts and a eight hour every week and it does give me pleanty of time off to get a broken leg in..;)
     
  12. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    This is American greed at its finest.
     
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  13. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    Like you, this year my garden flourished and I had more than I needed. I would load up a basket and hit the neighbors and give them whatever produce they wanted. I would do the same with the fish as in my opinion they are my extended family per se. If the SHTF, I will rely on our neighborhood to come together in some manner for mutual defense. If I know my neighbors and we have a mutual respect for each other by our deeds... that carries weight latter on when needed in some measure hopefully .
     
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  14. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    You think so? then why bother being a prepper at all?
     
  15. Dont

    Dont Just another old gray Jarhead Monkey

    Sounds like self sufficensy and good prepping ..
     
  16. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    STILL...productive....expanding your knowledge and skills.
    I spend a few years in a town of 600 people...there was NO WORK.
    Nothing.
    It really shouldn't be that way....small tribes should be able to THRIVE much easier today than in the days of the founders of their town....just from knowledge and technology alone.
    Saddly...this is not the case because of the profit motive greed we have today.
    Nobody would say that a land grant in the early days of Canada/USA was an ENTITLEMENT HANDOUT!
    It was a CHANCE to make your own way and not depend on government.
     
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  17. Mindgrinder

    Mindgrinder Karma Pirate Ninja|RIP 12-25-2017

    Balance.
    When you have surplus, barter, trade or if you have true abundance...share freely.
    Food rotting on the shelves in America because nobody could afford it while people starve elsewhere is.....well.....
    GREED.

    *edit*
    We're no better in Canada.
     
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  18. Yard Dart

    Yard Dart Vigilant Monkey Moderator

    I think Kell was poking MG over the American Greed comment.
     
  19. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    You are right, it was something you had to work for. It had to be brought up to a certain standard, or you would lose it. You had to "prove" your claim. As for not depending on Government, Government was using YOU to push back the edge of the wilds. Many Government projects were advanced by Homesteading.
     
  20. kellory

    kellory An unemployed Jester, is nobody's fool. Banned

    Poking? No, stating a fact. If I gathered more frozen food than I could store properly, it is time for more freezer space. Grinder calls that greed. I call it self sufficiency.
     
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