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Everything We Have Been Taught About Our Origins Is A Lie

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  1. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    n June 1936 Max Hahn and his wife Emma were on a walk beside a waterfall near to London, Texas, when they noticed a rock with wood protruding from its core. They decided to take the oddity home and later cracked it open with a hammer and a chisel. What they found within shocked the archaeological and scientific community. Embedded in the rock was what appeared to be some type of ancient man made hammer.

    A team of archaeologists analysed and dated it. The rock encasing the hammer was dated to more than 400 million years old. The hammer itself turned out to be more than 500 million years old. Additionally, a section of the wooden handle had begun the metamorphosis into coal. The hammer’s head, made of more than 96% iron, is far more pure than anything nature could have achieved without assistance from relatively modern smelting methods.

    In 1889 near Nampa, Idaho, whilst workers were boring an artesian well, a small figurine made of baked clay was extracted from a depth of 320 feet. To reach this depth the workers had to cut through fifteen feet of basalt lava and many other strata below that. That in itself does not seem remarkable, until one considers that the very top layer of lava has been dated to at least 15 million years old!

    It is currently accepted by science and geology that coal is a by-product of decaying vegetation. The vegetation becomes buried over time and is covered with sediment. That sediment eventually fossilises and becomes rock. This natural process of coal formation takes up to 400 million years to accomplish.

    Anything that is found in lumps of coal or in coal seams during mining, had to have been placed or dropped into the vegetation before it was buried in sediment.

    In 1944, as a ten year old boy, Newton Anderson, dropped a lump of coal in his basement and it broke in half as it hit the floor. What he discovered inside defies explanation based upon current scientific orthodoxy.

    Inside the coal was a hand crafted brass alloy bell with an iron clapper and sculptured handle.

    When an analysis was carried out it was discovered that the bell was made from anunusual mix of metals, different from any known modern alloy production (including copper, zinc, tin, arsenic, iodine, and selenium).

    The seam from whence this lump of coal was mined is estimated to be 300,000,000 years old!

    A hand crafted bell found in a 300 million year old lump of coal!

    These extraordinary discoveries although bizarre, are not unique or even uncommon. There are literally thousands of them collecting dust, locked away from public scrutiny in the vaults of museums throughout the world.

    There are many other unusual reported finds including the following:

    The Morrisonville, Illinois Times, on June 11, 1891, reported how Mrs. S. W. Culp found a circular shaped eight-carat gold chain, about 10 inches long, embedded in a lump of coal after she broke it apart to put in her scuttle. The chain was described as “antique” and of “quaint workmanship.”

    Displayed in a museum at Glen Rose, Texas, is a cast iron pot reportedly found in a large lump of coal in 1912 by a worker feeding coal into the furnace of a power plant. When he split open the coal the worker said the pot fell out, leaving its impression in the coal.

    Yet another report found in the Epoch Times told of a Colorado rancher who in the 1800’s broke open a lump of coal, dug from a vein some 300 feet below the surface, and discovered a “strange-looking iron thimble.”

    A cast iron pot found in a lump of coal.

    The Salzburg Cube is yet another ancient puzzle found by a worker named Reidl, in an Austrian foundry in 1885. Like the others, this man broke open a block of coal and found a metal cube embedded inside. Recent analysis established the object was of forged iron and obviously hand crafted. The coal it was found in was millions of years old.

    The list of such items goes on and on and on.

    Welcome to the world of Ooparts, or Out of Place Artefacts.

    Out of place artefacts (Ooparts) are so named because conventional scientific wisdom (an oxymoron if ever there was one) states that these artefacts shouldn’t exist based upon currently accepted beliefs regarding our origins and history. These discoveries are “out of place” in the orthodox timeline of human history.

    The usual methods of the conformist scientific community, when faced with such anomalies is to attempt to debunk their reported age, or perhaps endeavour to discredit the source of the report or even the reporter. If this approach fails then usually the artefacts themselves are banished to the shadowy vaults of museums and warehouses, never to be seen again.

    If these unusual artefacts were “one offs” then perhaps one could be forgiven for accepting the view espoused by the mainstream scientific and archaeological community that they are hoaxes or misreported stories. However, when one realises that thousands upon thousands of these anomalous artefacts have been discovered and reported over the years, then one may need to re-evaluate ones acceptance of the integrity of mainstream archaeology and science.

    Occasionally an honest archaeologist will attempt to reveal to the public the true age and origin of such anomalous objects. They will question the accepted beliefs of their mainstream peers. They usually find that their career ends quite abruptly.

    Unfortunately, the majority just accept what they are taught in school and university without question. That is how our educational system is designed. It does not encourage individuality and originality. It purely indoctrinates one with established beliefs and dogma.

    If one requires evidence of this “mainstream” mentality, one need look no further than the realms of psychiatry. Modern psychiatry seeks to demonize and declare mentally ill anyone who deviates from what is regarded as the norm.

    These so called “mental health professionals” have even invented a new mental disorder named Oppositional Defiant Disorder, or ODD (love the irony of the abbreviation).

    This newly invented condition is listed in the latest instalment of the industry’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or DSM, which dubs people who do not conform to what those in charge declare to be normal, as mentally insane.

    So there you have your proof – I’m obviously an unmitigated nutter and completely insane. At least that is what those in authority would like everyone to believe!

    Anyway, I digress.

    On one side of the field we have the Darwinists and their theory of evolution, trying to establish the extremely flawed view that we have somehow evolved into highly intelligent sentient beings from a primordial blob of gunge, miraculously brought to life by an electrical storm billions of years ago. (Perhaps one of this cults followers could explain to me when “consciousness” evolved, and provide proof – I await with baited breath!)

    On the other side we have the creationists with the belief that some omnipotent invisible being who lives in the clouds, waved his magic wand about 7,000 years ago and created the earth and everything on it. Again the adherents of this equally flawed theory rely on nothing more than a book called the Bible for their “proof” of this concept. The fact that this book has been bastardised during translation numerous times during its existence, has been re-written to certain individuals personal preference on a number of occasions, and has had many complete chapters omitted, is irrelevant to its followers. All they require is “faith”. Proof and evidence is not a prerequisite!

    One couldn’t get more opposing beliefs if one tried, and both camps adhere to their beliefs voraciously, and with unshakable fervour. Yet neither are based on any kind of factual or hard evidence.

    The reality is that the origin of the human race is a total enigma. No one, anywhere, actually knows how old humanity is or how and where it originated. It is a complete mystery. Yet from birth one is indoctrinated into one or the other of the above factions, with no questions asked or alternative opinions allowed.

    The problem the mainstream has with these anomalous Ooparts is that they throw into question every single established belief there is regarding our past.

    It seems that everywhere we look, we find things that contradict much of the scientific orthodoxy of today. The scientific establishment will never acknowledge or admit that these artefacts are authentic. To do so would be to admit that they are completely wrong about our origins, and consequently, invalidate all of the text books used to indoctrinate us and our children.

    The discovery of Ooparts completely annihilates the [comparatively recent] theory of evolution. If, as this hypothesis would have us believe, modern humans only evolved 200,000 years ago (or thereabouts), one has to ask how man made artefacts, found in substrata originating millions of years ago, could be explained?

    Alternatively, the advocates of creationism have a very quaint way of “acknowledging” the existence of Ooparts, and bizarrely, actually believe that Ooparts substantiate their world view.

    Creationists just completely disregard the established dating methods, and declare every single recognized archaeological and geological process null and void. They would have us all believe that coal seams, rock strata, fossils, minerals, precious stones and every other antediluvian element, took only a few thousand years to form.

    Yet the psychiatric establishment would have me labelled as the loony for questioning this baloney. Go figure!

    There will no doubt be readers who, similar to predictable conservative archaeologists, and probably due to their indoctrinated belief system, will also dismiss the aforementioned Ooparts as hoaxes or forgeries. Perhaps they would like to consider and offer an explanation for the following.

    It is an accepted belief that humans and dinosaurs did not co-exist. According to conventional academia, dinosaurs roamed the earth between 65 and 225 million years ago, whereas the earliest upright biped humanoid, homo erectus, only appeared about 1.8 million years ago.

    However, in 1968 a palaeontologist named Stan Taylor began excavations of fossilised dinosaur footprints, discovered in the bed of the Paluxy river near Glen Rose, Texas. What he unearthed shocked and dumbfounded the scientific community. Alongside the dinosaur tracks, in exactly the same cretaceous fossilised strata, were well preserved human footprints.

    Human footprints crossing 3 toed dinosaur footprints fossilised in the Paluxy river bed.

    The immediate reaction of evolutionists, archaeologists, and science in general, was to debunk the find as a hoax. “They were carved into the rock by hoaxers” or “They are not human footprints, but more dinosaur footprints that have been eroded to look human”were the arguments most commonly proposed.

    However, their line of reasoning falls somewhat flat when one asks why only the human prints were eroded and not also the 3 toed dinosaur prints? Additionally one has to consider, if the human prints were carved as a hoax, how did the hoaxers manage to carve further human footprints that continued under bedrock that was later removed from the side of the river bed?

    Since the initial discovery, hundreds more human footprints have been discovered and unearthed, both in Paluxy and in many other places around the globe. Either those hoaxers have unlimited time and budget – or someone is telling porkies!

    Next one needs to consider another find discovered in 100 million year old cretaceous limestone. A fossilised human finger, which was found along with a childs tooth and human hair. This finger has been subjected to numerous scientific tests and analysis. Sectioning revealed the typical porous bone structure expected in a human finger. Additionally a Cat-scan and MRI scan identified joints and traced tendons throughout the length of the fossil. This is one find that science cannot explain away as a hoax.

    Cat-scan of a human fossilised finger shows dark areas showing the interior of bones and bone marrow, along with tendons.

    There is however another find of recent years that blows all of the others into a cocked hat regarding age.

    Over the past few decades, miners near the little town of Ottosdal in Western Transvaal, South Africa, have been digging up hundreds of mysterious metal spheres. These spheres measure between 25 and 100 mm in diameter, and some are etched with three parallel grooves running completely around the equator. Two types of spheres have been found. One is composed of a solid bluish metal with flecks of white, the other is hollowed out and filled with a spongy white substance.

    These spheres are reportedly so delicately balanced that even with modern technology, they would need to be made in a zero gravity environment to attain these characteristics. These objects have become known as the Klerksdorp spheres.

    A Klerksdorp sphere

    Geologists have attempted to debunk these artefacts as natural formations or “limonite concretions”. They fail to explain sufficiently how these formations occurred naturally with perfectly straight and perfectly spaced grooves around the centres.

    Perhaps the real reason for such fervent attempted debunking by the scientific community, is that the rock in which these spheres where found is Precambrian – and dated to 2.8 billion years old!

    Whether one wishes to accept these out of place artefacts as genuine or not is I suppose, down to personal beliefs.

    Evolutionists refuse to accept them as to do so would mean re-evaluating their whole indoctrinated belief system. They will even stoop to producing outright fantasy in their attempts to discredit these discoveries. If that fails then they will just pretend that they do not exist, and then hide them away – forever.

    Creationists on the other hand willingly accept them as some bizarre kind of proof that the universe is only about 7,000 years old, and totally ignore any evidence, from any source, to the contrary. They continue to cling to a medieval belief system based purely on blind faith. How quaint.

    Personally, I don’t belong to either camp. I keep an open mind regarding our origins. I don’t have any particular “philosophy” on the subject but rather prefer to adapt my understanding as new evidence becomes available. My only current belief based upon all of the available facts to date is that the human race has inhabited this planet for millions of years longer than is presently accepted.

    I realise that I will never discover the answer to the question of our origin. The human race has been searching for this answer since the dawn of time, and it still evades us.

    Everything we have been taught in our schools and universities about our origin and history, is based upon nothing more than speculation and hypothesis. There is not a single provable fact out there that conclusively answers the question “where do we come from”

    What I will continue to do however is question everything, and not just blindly accept any mainstream viewpoint because it happens to be fashionable at the time.

    If that means one day I get a knock at my door from men in white coats holding a straightjacket, then so be it……


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    There will be a follow up to this article in the near future.
  2. tacmotusn

    tacmotusn Mosquito Sailor

    Quite interesting ......?
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  3. Dunerunner

    Dunerunner Monkey

    Interesting.. got me looking around the net at all the unusual stuff we've never heard about!!
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  4. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    It's called an information filter. The archaeologists that spend their life's work depend on cash from grants. When they find information contrary to their beliefs, they don't report it. When they find something that agrees with their point of view, they push it.

    Carbon dating has inherent errors. The most notable being that it is ASSumed that the radiocarbon decays at a constant rate. The next- look up polonium halos; they shouldn't exist due to our understanding, but they do.

    Our history is, more than likely, far more interesting than anyone will be willing to admit.
  5. Tracy

    Tracy Insatiably Curious Moderator Founding Member

  6. ghrit

    ghrit Ambulatory anachronism Administrator Founding Member

    Outliers beg for explanations. These guy are thinking zebras rather than horses when they hear hoof beats. Is it wrong? No. It's nice to see that the questions are recognized, but no one is going to fund the odd research; that is left for the wealthy amateurs.
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  7. Quigley_Sharps

    Quigley_Sharps The Badministrator Administrator Founding Member

    I found it interesting of the finds 300 feet and deeper in the earth.
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  8. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It's very interesting, no doubt. I totally agree with the whole false paradigm surrounding our origins, since Creationism as well as Darwinism are inherently flawed. We are often given a set number of paths to follow, since humans tend to always try and categorize, define and sort through everything. However, when we reach a point when there is no absolute to be found, the scientific theorization process begins. Sometimes, this is a good thing. I like how we can always build upon our grasp of reality and improve our opinion of the universe. It's just sad that our origin really does remain a mystery. Maybe we will have to accept the fact that we just don't know something right now. We can't always expect to have an answer for everything...but we can keep on trying to find one.

    I admire creativity, and I wholly support new ideas based on evidence and sound theory. It's just when we get into the wacky theories formulated on almost nothing at all, that we can get a headache. Case in point: The Annunaki. Spending a few hours reading and watching videos on that subject could make you want to run headlong into a wall at full tilt.
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  9. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    What's wrong with the Annunaki?


    They just want to be your (anus') friend...

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  10. gunbunny

    gunbunny Never Trust A Bunny

    When you have more money than your grandchildren could spend in their lifetime, the next thing you go after is power. Knowledge is power, just ask the Rothschilds. When you can control the flow of correct information, and make others vested in the old information's promotion, you control them.

    Our current system is heavily vested on the Darwinian theory, and on the greenhouse gas theory. If you change that, you will make certain people actually have to go and do something else to make money.
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  11. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

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  12. co9mil

    co9mil Monkey

    Can you provide some examples where Creationism is inherently flawed?
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  13. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member


    I just wish we had more quality information on aliens and could share information in a rational way. It seems like most people just like to fly off the deep end, taking the extreme method to exaggerate a very simple concept. So, in all our vast universe and beyond, to think we are absolutely alone on this single rock would be an enormous and ignorant oversight. I just want to yell, "Keep it simple and let's not get carried away!" but it would do not good. Everywhere we look, folks just have to take the extreme and get carried away, often ignoring common sense in an attempt to add further impetus to an already sound idea.

    -- Aliens. Got it. I'm with you. Move on. :)
    -- Abductions, meh. Okay, but it's along the same lines as a revelation in biblical sense, that being, it's a personal event and cannot be proven. I appreciate the report, and will duly note it. Move on.
    -- Sightings, yeah. Been there, seen that myself. Let's see some actual footage and not make it a hoax. There's already enough data and eye witness reports to give sound support for this, no need to elaborate. Of course, some people who refuse to understand and accept this truth will get a laugh out of making a mockery of the subject. This is the world we live in, unfortunately.
    -- Insiders, former .Gov collaborators. This is interesting. Some have paid with their lives, and their deaths are sometimes questionable. Unfortunately, there's just not a lot of physical evidence.

    I can accept the fact that real information is being suppressed, for crying out loud, look at the state of our nation. To think that we are all alone, the chosen of all creation, and without another sentient being is just myopic. With patience, tolerance for new ideas and understanding, we can find some answers.
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  14. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    Dinosaurs. For starters.
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  15. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    As for the allegation that the Creationist view is that the earth is only a few thousand years old. That is complete biased nonsense and continually repeated to "show" that this theory has no validity. There was a monk who attempted to calculate the age of creation by adding up all the ages of the people in the bible from creation onward. He came up with a number of 6000 years. That coupled with some very liberal interpretations of scripture passages led to his "theory" that the earth was only 6000 yrs old. Some people bought into this theory many years ago but it has never been a mainstream doctrine and is completely discredited in creationist circles. It's premise is deeply flawed and it's interpretation of vague scriptures is very subjective. Yet it is still used today as an example of the "flawed" creationist doctrine.

    The supposed "flaws" in intelligent design/creationist theory are miniscule compared to the very real and glaring flaws in the theory of evolution.

    Carbon-14 dating is a theory not a fact and is based on very iffy assumptions. Many scientists will readily admit that carbon-14 dating is only reliable to a medium of accuracy up to abut 3500 years. These wild numbers of millions of years are given only because they have to be that old to fit into the preconceived theorem of evolutionist doctrine.

    I was looking at some of the books I have on the subject and was going to post a long analysis of the inherent flaws in radio carbon dating methods but I came across this summation that, well, sums it up.

    "Carbon dating is used now for almost everything old that people want to date. It is taken as fact and used as evidence to gather information on the world and past civilizations. However, Carbon dating is at best a good theory, and that is all it is, a theory. Too many people forget the definition of a theory. Theory is not fact; it is a hypothesis that is supported by some experimental evidence. There have been many theories in the past that have been disproved. I am not saying that Carbon dating is a bad idea. Willard F. Libby was a very brilliant scientist and had some wonderful ideas. We just need to keep it in perspective and not take a theory for a fact."

    (got to make sure to put that in parenthesis or else some anal retentive will think I am claiming authorship)
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  16. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I'm sorry B but I just can't buy the aliens did it line. First for me is, Why? They came here to mine gold (the Annunaki theory)? But with all their supposed technological advances they missed the vast deposits in Alaska, California, South Africa? They mined only a miniscule amount found in Mesopotamia?
    They mated with humans. Inter species breeding is so complicated among terrestrial species that it is practically nonexistent, with only a few exceptions within very similar and related species. To think that a life form developed on another planet could somehow be able genetically to procreate with a terrestrial species is just fantastical. The odds are astronomical.
    You say "keep it simple". I agree totally. Our very own race is capable of enormous ingenuity and innovation. To believe that we today are at the height of our progress and the pinnacle of our civilization is simply degrading and dismissive of the genius of our ancestors. Our knowledge of the primitive past is, primitive. To the point of nonexistent.
    What is easier to accept? That our ancestors possessed much greater knowledge and technology than we have ever imagined. Including the capability of flight. Or that some alien race for some unknown reason came here and did, something, and gave us knowledge and helped the poor dumb savages learn to farm, then left only to anonymously check on us from time to time?
    Like is oft quoted on here "if you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras". I would paraphrase that to "Think humans not martians".
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  17. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    It's pretty sound to accept the theory which states that the planets were formed in millions of years, not a few thousand years. Therefore, even carbon dating can be off by many thousands of years and still be well within the acceptable limits of not being negated by creationist claims. Let's not even count in carbon dating. Look at the rock formations themselves and the shear depth of the earth where evidence has been found. Even the supposition of thousands of years could not explain how it would take many millions of years to accumulate coal and fossils. We cannot ignore the basic concepts of proven science and only point a finger at carbon dating.

    Still, I like your Monk explanation, Minuteman. I would like to read more. I know the counting of generations of the biblical names was debated. Maybe it's down to a translation argument.
  18. Brokor

    Brokor Live Free or Cry Moderator Site Supporter+++ Founding Member

    LOL! Yeah, I see your point. I cannot expect to convince anyone based on what I have seen for myself with my own eyes. A giant, orange triangle ship flying just above me making no sound, fading in and out of reality SOUNDS CRAZY...but there it is. I know we have nothing like this, it's so far beyond even 200 years in our future taking into account the best of advancements. Then again, all I have seen was a spacecraft, not actual physical beings. If I had, even that could be confused with genetic mutations and laboratory experimentation -who knows what they are making in labs these days? So, yeah. Astronomical possibilities are still possible, no matter what. And, who is to say we are actually different at all? Maybe we are the children of an ancient alien race. We just do not know.

    The nice thing about creationism, is that much of it is based on faith. I can accept that. I see no problem with there being a personal philosophy about the creation of humanity, as long as there are no consequences associated, like being beheaded for not believing or burned at the stake and such. To repeat such mistakes as in our past would be a terrible thing to have to witness.
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  19. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I'd have to scan my library and find the right references, or google search it. But to the best of my recollection it was a monk in about the 16th or 17th century that tried to calculate the ages of the people mentioned in the bible, especially the genealogical record of the book of Numbers. The first error in that is that many of the biblical characters have the same name and are not identified as being a different person.
    There were several other discrepancies and false assumptions that rendered the entire theory unreliable. I read an entire thesis on the errors in the theory but don't remember all the details. But suffice to say that no serious theology student holds to that theory. Yet it proffered frequently by skeptics of creationist doctrine.
    There are several interesting topics to look at. One is the GAP theory. Google it if you're interested. I put a lot of credence to that particular theory. Also the young earth movement within academia. It is a totally secular study among scientists and has nothing to do with any religious doctrine. Yet it is growing among academics due to the science of it, not the faith. Basically it is the theory that the earth may only be hundreds of thousands of years old not hundreds of millions.
  20. Minuteman

    Minuteman Chaplain Moderator Founding Member

    I too have seen unexplainable things in the sky. But much of that was during my time working at a (seriously) top secret government facility in the 70's. I saw things that even today I am not allowed to talk about. And things that back then were futuristic and fantastical. Let's just say the area I was in wasn't in the 50's but not far from there.:cool:
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